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re: Lebron vs. Kobe advanced stats
Posted on 7/26/19 at 8:40 am to stevo1905
Posted on 7/26/19 at 8:40 am to stevo1905
You’re ignoring how players are accumulating their stats and percentages as well. Who cares if a guy has a 55% fg if 90% of his field goal attempts are within 8 feet of the basket while the 43% guy is far more spread out and takes over half his shots from beyond the 3 point line while hitting 39-40% of them.
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Posted on 7/26/19 at 8:42 am to TheeRealCarolina
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TheeRealCarolina
GCA coming in hot.
Posted on 7/26/19 at 8:49 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Do these same stats versus Jordan. That’s who he’s compared to
Lebron’s DBPM last year(again, narratively considered mediocre) was 1.9. Jordan only had two seasons higher than 1.9.
Jordan’s best three playoff VORP years were 2.7, 2.8, and 2.8. Lebron has had five years of 2.8+ including 3.1, 3.2, and 3.7(!).
For playoffs again; Jordan had seven 10+ BPM postseasons with a high of 14.3. Lebron’s had ten 10+ BPM postseasons with three 13+ and a high of 18.2.
This post was edited on 7/26/19 at 9:01 am
Posted on 7/26/19 at 8:53 am to stevo1905
there are about 10-12 players between Lebron in Kobe in the all time rankings
Its not really fair to compare them directly
You have MJ, LeBron, Kareem and then the rest
Its not really fair to compare them directly
You have MJ, LeBron, Kareem and then the rest
Posted on 7/26/19 at 8:54 am to stevo1905
I don’t know many that argue Kobe is better than Lebron. Jordan vs Lebron and Kobe vs Curry are much more debatable.
This next season will tell me whether Curry is better than Kobe. If he puts up the same or better stats I will concede that Curry is better. I think his numbers drop without many other weapons to spread the floor.
This next season will tell me whether Curry is better than Kobe. If he puts up the same or better stats I will concede that Curry is better. I think his numbers drop without many other weapons to spread the floor.
Posted on 7/26/19 at 9:18 am to lsupride87
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You have MJ, LeBron, Kareem and then the rest
One of these is not like the others
Posted on 7/26/19 at 9:25 am to stevo1905
Lebron is better than Kobe. I think that is obvious.
Posted on 7/26/19 at 9:28 am to rallyTiger
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One of these is not like the others
True.
Only one of them abruptly quit in the middle of his career and went to play minor league baseball to avoid some uncomfortable questions about gambling.
Posted on 7/26/19 at 9:32 am to Green Chili Tiger
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True.
Only one of them abruptly quit in the middle of his career and went to play minor league baseball to avoid some uncomfortable questions about gambling.
Anything to dodge the fact lebron doesn't deserve to be in the same sentence as jordan and kareem, he is not even on Kobe's level
Posted on 7/26/19 at 9:33 am to TheeRealCarolina
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Who cares if a guy has a 55% fg if 90% of his field goal attempts are within 8 feet of the basket while the 43% guy is far more spread out and takes over half his shots from beyond the 3 point line while hitting 39-40% of them.
I'm not sure what this means in Kobe vs LeBron. LeBron is a better career 3 point shooter than Kobe.
I get the MJ/LeBron debate. Kobe/LeBron, LeBron destroys Kobe in every quantifiable area. Any stat from any area of the game and LeBron takes Kobe to the woodshed.
Kobe's one thing is the 5 rings to 3, and that exists because he got prime Shaq in Finals matchups vs the Pacers, Sixers and Nets. Every other category, LeBron smokes Kobe.
It boggles my mind that people keep resorting to the magic ability that can't possibly be quantified. I understand it better with MJ and LeBron because they're close statistically, so you look to a tiebreak. LeBron and Kobe isn't close.
Posted on 7/26/19 at 9:35 am to rallyTiger
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he is not even on Kobe's level
Posted on 7/26/19 at 9:36 am to rallyTiger
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One of these is not like the others
Which one?
MJ
30.1 pts--6.2 reb--5.3asst--50.9eFG%--27.9 PER--.250 WS/48--6.96 avgVORP
5x MVP
10X NBA 1st team
9x NBA 1st team defense
6x finals MVP
LeBron
27.2 pts--7.4 reb--7.2 asst--54.1 eFG%--27.6 PER--.235 WS/48--8.1125 avgVORP
4x MVP
12X NBA 1st team
5x NBA 1st team defense
3x finals mvp
Kareem
24.6 pts--11.2 reb--3.6asst--55.9eFG%--24.6 PER--.228 WS/48--Vorp not tracked
6x MVP
10X NBA 1st team
5x NBA 1st team defense
2x finals mvp
This post was edited on 7/26/19 at 9:38 am
Posted on 7/26/19 at 9:42 am to rallyTiger
quote:Oh this is fun
Anything to dodge the fact lebron doesn't deserve to be in the same sentence as jordan and kareem, he is not even on Kobe's level
Lets add kobe
MJ
30.1 pts--6.2 reb--5.3asst--50.9eFG%--27.9 PER--.250 WS/48--6.96 avgVORP
5x MVP
10X NBA 1st team
9x NBA 1st team defense
6x finals MVP
LeBron
27.2 pts--7.4 reb--7.2 asst--54.1 eFG%--27.6 PER--.235 WS/48--8.1125 avgVORP
4x MVP
12X NBA 1st team
5x NBA 1st team defense
3x finals mvp
Kareem
24.6 pts--11.2 reb--3.6asst--55.9eFG%--24.6 PER--.228 WS/48--Vorp not tracked
6x MVP
10X NBA 1st team
5x NBA 1st team defense
2x finals mvp
Kobe
25.0 pts--5.2 reb--4.7 asst--48.2 eFG%--22.9 PER--.170 WS/48--3.605 avgVORP
1x MVP
11X NBA 1st team
9x NBA 1st team defense
2x finals mvp
Now which guy sticks out?
Posted on 7/26/19 at 9:51 am to lsupride87
quote:Right. To see the gap between them quantified is cool though.
Its not really fair to compare them directly
You have MJ, LeBron, Kareem and then the rest
Posted on 7/26/19 at 9:55 am to lsupride87
Nice.
Posted on 7/26/19 at 9:57 am to rallyTiger
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he is not even on Kobe's level
bruh...
Posted on 7/26/19 at 10:02 am to rallyTiger
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he is not even on Kobe's level
lol this board
Posted on 7/26/19 at 10:23 am to hoopsgalore
LeBron fans are starting threads to prove he is better than Kobe now instead of Jordan? How the mighty have fallen...
Posted on 7/26/19 at 10:25 am to stevo1905
it's pretty simple. anyone who picks Kobe over Lebron is an irrational dickrider
Posted on 7/26/19 at 10:37 am to SlowFlowPro
But Lebron doesn’t make mean faces during games, clearly Kobe must be better, lots of mean faces.
Plus Kobe made sure every story of him dog cussing a player in practice leaked to the media, Lebron doesn’t have that level of commitment
Plus Kobe made sure every story of him dog cussing a player in practice leaked to the media, Lebron doesn’t have that level of commitment
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