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re: Ken Griffey Jr is the 2nd best ballplayer born in Donora, PA with a Nov 21st birthdate
Posted on 3/11/25 at 7:25 pm to WestCoastAg
Posted on 3/11/25 at 7:25 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:
and?
analytics outthink themselves sometimes and are great tools for projecting things going forward.
they’re mathematical formulas that try to value a hypothetical (different parks, different pitchers, different defenses, etc.)
measurables use actual on field results.
you know the things that determines outcomes of ball games.
and prime Jr was as good as anyone to ever play.
His actual on field results were plain and simply better than Trout’s.
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Posted on 3/11/25 at 7:41 pm to Nutriaitch
Posted on 3/11/25 at 7:53 pm to Nutriaitch
quote:
using 162 game averages:
Griffey ('93 - '00)
Trout ('12 - '19)
Griffey was in the heart of the steroids era and spanned two expansions…
Posted on 3/11/25 at 8:38 pm to Jax-Tiger
don't forget to factor WWII in
Posted on 3/11/25 at 8:42 pm to Nutriaitch
quote:yes. trout was just better
and prime Jr was as good as anyone to ever play.
Posted on 3/11/25 at 9:09 pm to Nutriaitch
quote:
prime Jr was as good as anyone to ever play.
/Thread.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 12:26 am to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:
I'm hard to come up with a definitive better pure ballplayer than him, just as far as natural overall talent and ability.
Mantle
Posted on 3/12/25 at 1:11 am to Jax-Tiger
Musial is for sure an all time great but the whole double all star thing in 59, 60, 61, and 62 has always pissed me off.
You cannot be a 24 time all star in 22 seasons
You cannot be a 24 time all star in 22 seasons
Posted on 3/12/25 at 7:06 am to WestCoastAg
quote:
yes. trout was just better
no he wasnt
Posted on 3/12/25 at 7:13 am to WestCoastAg
quote:
trout was just better
No.
Griffey was a top-5 player all-time in his prime before the injuries set in.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 7:22 am to JerryTheKingBawler
Just how old do you think people on this board are?
Stan Musial stopped playing in 1963.
A lot of people aren’t going to get that champ.
Stan Musial stopped playing in 1963.
A lot of people aren’t going to get that champ.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 10:21 am to Jax-Tiger
Larry Fitzgerald has more career tackles than career drops.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 10:53 am to Fun Bunch
quote:
Just how old do you think people on this board are?
Stan Musial stopped playing in 1963.
A lot of people aren’t going to get that champ.
you don't have to be old enough to have seen a guy play to know his nickname.
DiMaggio quit playing before my dad was even born, but I know he's the Yankee Clipper or Joltin Joe.
I wasn't born until a couple years after Hank Aaron retired, but I know he was Hammer.
or in football I know Mean Joe is Joe Green despite being too young to ever remember him playing.
or Kenny Stabler was The Snake
Posted on 3/12/25 at 11:58 am to Schmelly
Eh can definitely make an argument for Musial over Griffey.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 12:28 pm to lsu777
Yes he was
Posted on 3/12/25 at 12:57 pm to WestCoastAg
no he wasnt. i watched both, prime griffey better than trout
example...take 4 best seasons, where grout won 2 mvps and compare
hell take 5 seasons
even ages 21-30 Junior wins
I dont give a frick about War.
griffey also way better in the field, 9 golden gloves in that time frame, 10 overall for the kid.
any way you slice it, other than WAR...the kid wins because the kid was a better player and he was clean in the when everyone else was juicing and he was facing juiced pitchers every night
yall can frick off with any mantra that the KID isnt better than trout
now barry greater than all but the kid is top 8 ever, maybe top 5 and prolly the overall most natural player, maybe only second the mantle.
example...take 4 best seasons, where grout won 2 mvps and compare
hell take 5 seasons
even ages 21-30 Junior wins
I dont give a frick about War.
griffey also way better in the field, 9 golden gloves in that time frame, 10 overall for the kid.
any way you slice it, other than WAR...the kid wins because the kid was a better player and he was clean in the when everyone else was juicing and he was facing juiced pitchers every night
yall can frick off with any mantra that the KID isnt better than trout
now barry greater than all but the kid is top 8 ever, maybe top 5 and prolly the overall most natural player, maybe only second the mantle.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 4:29 pm to Jax-Tiger
surely he’s the best left handed one though?
right?
right?
Posted on 3/12/25 at 4:59 pm to lsu777
quote:
griffey also way better in the field, 9 golden gloves in that time frame, 10 overall for the kid.
any way you slice it, other than WAR...the kid wins because the kid was a better player and he was clean in the when everyone else was juicing and he was facing juiced pitchers every night
yall can frick off with any mantra that the KID isnt better than trout
PREACH!
Posted on 3/12/25 at 10:52 pm to ReauxlTide222
Without question. He’s still top 10 all time despite the injuries.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 11:04 pm to lsu777
quote:yes he was
no he wasnt
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