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re: Justice Brett Kavanaugh Re: the NCAA (from opinion released this morning)
Posted on 6/21/21 at 1:06 pm to STLhog
Posted on 6/21/21 at 1:06 pm to STLhog
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Have players make a choice. If they want to sell their likeness and profit off their name, let them have the tuition but taxable income
It isn't clear what you are suggesting.
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There's only a few players that sell jerseys anyway, it shouldn't be that hard to let them sign deals and get paid accordingly based on the market.
This ruling doesn't address that. This ruling says that the NCAA has to pay them because it is a business. I don't think allowing NIL is a solution to this issue. And, I don't think giving the players an option is a solution to this issue. The players all enter the current agreement voluntarily.
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Posted on 6/21/21 at 1:11 pm to teke184
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Know how Euro universities can do this? Kids are signing contracts with pro teams in their teens to be developed into a better player, meaning what is left for the universities tends to be second tier talent at best.
Happens all the time in soccer and in basketball, as Ricky Rubio was under a long term deal when the Wolves drafted him and other players like Enes Kanter were NCAA ineligible for playing on pro teams in Europe before their college days.
If the NBA changes their rules so that the Lakers can lock up Bronny James at 13 under a long term contract, then that model can work.
The vast number of youth players in the European sports academies are from the local area and live at home with their parents. If we go to an academy system, teams located in talent rich areas like LA and Texas will always have a enormous leg up on their competition.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 1:12 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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As opposed to now where this exact thing happens, just under the table?
It happens. But, there are penalties if caught. Those penalties have stifled what right now is cheating.
With that change, it's truly a pay for play scenario. Every kid will have a price and if they have a good year, there will be another price. Teams will lose players (see transfer portal today).
IMO, none of those things are good for the game. But, unfortunately, it's already too far gone to stop it. The game most of us love is gone and winning and losing will be based on how much money you are willing to spend. Expect a shift in power. To where, who knows.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 1:18 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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I get the pay the players argument but this entity is sui generis and relates COMPLETELY to being a student at an educational institution, not employee. Like it is in high school sports
It depends. Calipari is an extreme example of the counterargument. He has specifically stated his goal is to get UK basketball players to the NBA and that means after one year at school, where players don't even have to show up to class in the spring semester once the season is over. Football players do the same thing preparing for the draft and now they opt out of the season.
Another problem with just seeing them as students is that they serve as marketing tools for big-name schools. Bama has seen big increases in out of state enrollment with Saban's success which has generated mega cash for the university.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:16 pm to AHM21
Fair market value means football players get paid a good bit. Men’s basketball players get paid less than football but still a handsome sum.
Baseball players get nothing but get to play for free.
Everyone else has to pay to participate.
Baseball players get nothing but get to play for free.
Everyone else has to pay to participate.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:22 pm to WG_Dawg
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wasn't my post, but I'd come to that same conclusion becuase the notion that athletes "aren't compensated" is laughable at best, and downright retarded at worst. They are compensated well into the 6 figures when you look at tuition, housing, meal plans, top notch medical care, all the free clothes and gear you want, a monetary stipend, a televised job tryout for a potential million dollar gig at the next level, etc. Everythign I just mentioned is not available to the regular joe student.
That regular Joe Blow student isn’t wearing the #7 jersey they’re selling in the field house, or at a jersey shop across the country under the LSU trademark, nor is that Joe blow student have to do anything with you paying for a ticket, or a parking pass, or concession sales, etc. Do you get the picture?
This post was edited on 6/21/21 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:32 pm to TigerintheNO
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Gorsuch wrote that the nation's highest court limited the scope of its decision on those education-related benefits. Rather than delving further into questions about the association's business model.
Yep, while allowing the NCAA to still control what counts as "education related".
Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:50 pm to tduecen
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There is no way they would offer sports if they had to start paying players
some football players will make millions.
some will be happy with full boat.
some school will decide to be #1 in riflery and have an Olympic quality team.
some school will opt to be #1 at volleyball.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:52 pm to AHM21
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Brett Kavanaugh
Like or dislike his opinion, he is using the laws of this land to make his opinion.
Conservative judges fall on laws and constitution, Liberal judges create and make up their own laws.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 5:19 pm to stlslick
It appears to me that the supreme court was more than making sure that the NCAA is unable to cap benefits with the student-athlete. If schools want to lavish the best of the best on these players are not restricted by arbitrary cap numbers. The NCAA's concept of how that should look as they meet about NIL in a few days is going to be an entirely different meeting.
In short, the black market that colleges have used as a business model for recruiting for decades is no more. The NCAA punishing certain teams knowing that one and all are practicing the same religion won't be missed by me. Good riddance to that NCAA hypocrisy.
In short, the black market that colleges have used as a business model for recruiting for decades is no more. The NCAA punishing certain teams knowing that one and all are practicing the same religion won't be missed by me. Good riddance to that NCAA hypocrisy.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 5:56 pm to bamameister
I wonder if this is the end to MLBs antitrust exemption
Posted on 6/21/21 at 6:19 pm to SammyTiger
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If paid a fair wage they could probably afford college
Fair wage...gtfoh
Posted on 6/21/21 at 7:06 pm to STLhog
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You literally just described every professional sports locker room.
How are you guys this dense? Boomers.
Professional athletes play under contracts that are, for the most part, enforced. They don't get to just decide to leave because they're unhappy. There is no professional sports comparison to the transfer portal.
But you keep on making shite up so you can call people boomers and feel cool about it.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 7:42 pm to AHM21
I just can not see how this is going to work out. The colleges will have to split up from small, medium, large, and extra large schools. No way smaller schools will be able to compete with the big money schools like Bama, LSU, Clemson, etc...
Posted on 6/21/21 at 7:46 pm to AHM21
He isn’t right..interns are exactly that.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 8:08 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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College teams fielded ringers from literally the very beginning
LSU poached its first great player, Doc Fenton, from Mansfield College in Pennsylvania, which had in turn poached him from St. Michael's College in Canada.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 11:16 pm to AUCE05
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Hopefully this takes down the college sports racket.
After collegiate athletics are wrecked and gone, all these "advocates" who eliminated a lot of kids opportunities to attend college will never admit their complicity. They'll have moved on to the next SJW cause d'jour to destroy some other institution/industry in the name of wokeness.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 11:27 pm to Ssubba
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There is going to be a huge opportunity for a massive shift in the CFB power structure for a few wise administrations who have been reading the writing on the wall.
So just by the dollars with no sense..... TAM and the Longhorns should win EVERYTHING from now on, but the will still screw it up.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 11:35 pm to AHM21
What’s the fair market rate for the college sports that lose money?
Can Title IX be ignored when determining fair market rate?
I also agree with others that have stated this makes it seem like athletes on athletic scholarships need to start paying for their tuition and for the other benefits athletes have always gotten and/or be taxed for it.
Can Title IX be ignored when determining fair market rate?
I also agree with others that have stated this makes it seem like athletes on athletic scholarships need to start paying for their tuition and for the other benefits athletes have always gotten and/or be taxed for it.
Posted on 6/22/21 at 6:19 am to MontyFranklyn
quote:This is the conundrum - if ‘sports’ scholarships’ are conflated with academic scholarships.
Wouldn't you have to tax all scholarship students as well? Would academic scholarships qualify as income?
Perhaps one way around it would be to classify certain majors as ‘sports studies’ and offer academic credits for all activities related to students’ participation in defined/sanctioned sports…
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