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Justice Brett Kavanaugh Re: the NCAA (from opinion released this morning)
Posted on 6/21/21 at 9:28 am
Posted on 6/21/21 at 9:28 am
Rip NCAA
This post was edited on 6/21/21 at 9:29 am
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Posted on 6/21/21 at 9:29 am to AHM21
The issue is, by that logic, athletes should have to pay for their tuition, etc.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 9:30 am to AHM21
Amazing the seismic shift we’re seeing in such a relative short period of time.
Im mostly concerned with how this will impact LSU. Thank god we have Woodward and not Alleva.
Im mostly concerned with how this will impact LSU. Thank god we have Woodward and not Alleva.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 9:33 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
The issue is, by that logic, athletes should have to pay for their tuition, etc.
How did you get to this conclusion?
Posted on 6/21/21 at 9:33 am to AHM21
There is going to be a huge opportunity for a massive shift in the CFB power structure for a few wise administrations who have been reading the writing on the wall.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 9:35 am to pvilleguru
quote:
How did you get to this conclusion?
by that discussion it's income and should be taxed as such, so if they're getting paid...have them pay for it
i don't even think it would be equitable to offset unless the tuition was treated as income
Posted on 6/21/21 at 9:35 am to Ssubba
Leadership at the conference level will be important too
Posted on 6/21/21 at 9:36 am to Ssubba
RIP college sports fans
The days are coming when fans will say enough and not fork out so much money to attend these events as well
The days are coming when fans will say enough and not fork out so much money to attend these events as well
Posted on 6/21/21 at 9:36 am to Ssubba
quote:
There is going to be a huge opportunity for a massive shift in the CFB power structure
you mean a super league?
b/c this is only going to consolidate power/money at the very tip top
most CFB programs lose money
Posted on 6/21/21 at 9:36 am to pvilleguru
That was discussed a lot when Northwestern tried a petition with the NLRB. You want to get paid? Bye bye scholarship/tuition.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 9:37 am to Bunk Moreland
quote:
. You want to get paid? Bye bye scholarship/tuition.
yeah they're certainly not going to get both
and a lot of guys (esp guys at places like NU) won't make as much as tuition would cost
Posted on 6/21/21 at 9:40 am to pvilleguru
quote:
How did you get to this conclusion?
wasn't my post, but I'd come to that same conclusion becuase the notion that athletes "aren't compensated" is laughable at best, and downright retarded at worst. They are compensated well into the 6 figures when you look at tuition, housing, meal plans, top notch medical care, all the free clothes and gear you want, a monetary stipend, a televised job tryout for a potential million dollar gig at the next level, etc. Everythign I just mentioned is not available to the regular joe student.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 9:40 am to AHM21
To be honest, I'm ready to go to more of a European model for college sports, i.e., just field a team of legitimate students who show up on your campus. Tryouts will be the rule rather than the exception.
Coaches will be paid like P.E. teachers instead of obscene professional coaching rates. All (or most) of these coaches harp on about the players being amateurs. Well, if they are amateurs then why are their coaches being paid as much or more than professional coaches.
Something went wrong with college sports beginning in the 80's when BIG money got involved. It could be argued that something went wrong when coaches started recruiting players with money under the table back in the 20's and 30's. In either event, what we are seeing now is just the equivalent of colleges providing minor league programs in exchange for MILLION OF DOLLARS.
And, I would venture to say that VERY FEW football or basketball players in major college programs would have even considered going to college if it weren't for sports as they were not qualified to be students in the first place.
Just my $.02.
Coaches will be paid like P.E. teachers instead of obscene professional coaching rates. All (or most) of these coaches harp on about the players being amateurs. Well, if they are amateurs then why are their coaches being paid as much or more than professional coaches.
Something went wrong with college sports beginning in the 80's when BIG money got involved. It could be argued that something went wrong when coaches started recruiting players with money under the table back in the 20's and 30's. In either event, what we are seeing now is just the equivalent of colleges providing minor league programs in exchange for MILLION OF DOLLARS.
And, I would venture to say that VERY FEW football or basketball players in major college programs would have even considered going to college if it weren't for sports as they were not qualified to be students in the first place.
Just my $.02.
This post was edited on 6/21/21 at 9:42 am
Posted on 6/21/21 at 9:41 am to Bunk Moreland
I hate to say it, but I could see a slow and gradual decline in college sports.
It's already begun really. Younger people aren't nearly as invested or interested. Just look at the empty seats pre COVID.
Now add in opt outs, paying players, losing traditions because of misguided wokeness, and the decline is real.
College basketball is already a shell with one and dones and top talent going to the G league or overseas.
Football is getting there with guys sitting out bowls or the entire season to train.
It's already begun really. Younger people aren't nearly as invested or interested. Just look at the empty seats pre COVID.
Now add in opt outs, paying players, losing traditions because of misguided wokeness, and the decline is real.
College basketball is already a shell with one and dones and top talent going to the G league or overseas.
Football is getting there with guys sitting out bowls or the entire season to train.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 9:41 am to MMauler
quote:
It could be argued that something went wrong when coaches started recruiting players with money under the table.
College teams fielded ringers from literally the very beginning
Posted on 6/21/21 at 9:41 am to SlowFlowPro
This argument has been used in the past. Industry in the north/south would generate their own company money and general stores and claim they were exempt from paying labor a reasonable wage. Hopefully this takes down the college sports racket.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 9:44 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:You’ve got to explain this one to me
The issue is, by that logic, athletes should have to pay for their tuition, etc.
ETA: I see that you already addressed it
This post was edited on 6/21/21 at 9:46 am
Posted on 6/21/21 at 9:44 am to ghost2most
quote:
I hate to say it, but I could see a slow and gradual decline in college sports.
It has already happened. College football feels like more like minor league NFL than ever, and that is when it loses its charm.
College football was always supposed to feel like a much better version of high school football than a much worse version of the NFL.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 9:46 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
The issue is, by that logic, athletes should have to pay for their tuition, etc.
They make millions for the university. If paid a fair wage they could probably afford college.
The issue is the no money sports.
Basically guys get their brains beat in playing football so other students can swim laps.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 9:46 am to Draconian Sanctions
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College teams fielded ringers from literally the very beginning
This.
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