re: Joe Frazier vs Mike Tyson (Who would win?)

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Spinks

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Had a great resume.

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Razor

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Was considered the most dangerous fighter alive in his day.

#2 contender.

Holyfield was terrified of him.

Hell, Tyson even backed out once. . .he was supposed to fight Razor, but fought Buster Douglas instead.

oops.

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Frazier and Lewis are not even similar fighters

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Oh for frick's sake.

Of course they aren't.

I was saying they are the kinds of fighters that Foreman seemed built to take.

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I'll leave you with your Tyson is the GOAT opinion.

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As a whole, Tyson was not the GOAT. . .not even the top 50

But the Tyson that beat Spinks could beat anyone.

Spinks was a lightheavy weight and was scared of Tyson, I literaly was waiting for him to piss during the stare down. Foreman had one of the deadliest jabs around other than Ali's. Tyson could not bull rush and get inside of someone with a killer Jab he never did except for a old arse Larry Holmes.

1. Someone wrote Frazier never fought anyone close to Tyson? Really? Ever heard of George Foreman? Foreman was a killer in the 70's and I seriously doubt Tyson could've handled Foreman's best shots.

2. Tyson couldn't handle a good OFFENSIVE jab. The kind that Holmes and Ali used with deadly accuracy. The jab is a lost art but when it works, it can really frustrate the opponent. Watch the Douglas and Holyfield fights. They jabbed him like crazy and he was clueless on what to do. Yeah yeah yeah, Rooney and Cus were gone but at that point in his career, he should've known by then how to handle a jab. Ali did.

3. Tyson fought no one. Spinks was a light heavyweight who beat an over the hill Larry Holmes. The Holmes of Ken Norton days would've knocked him out. The real key no one has mentioned is look at the opponents of Ali and Tyson AFTER they got beat by Ali or Tyson. Several of Ali's still won championships or competed at a very high level. Tyson's? usually went downhill after that and never were serious contenders again.

4. Ali would've made a fool out of Tyson. When that fight started, Ali would've already had his style broken down and sparring partners that fought like him. You do realize he had people like Larry Holmes for sparring partners, right?

He would've made Tyson so mad BEFORE the fight, Tyson would've done nothing but trained to KILL Ali, then Ali would've wore him out, remember 15 round fight, then he would've made a fool out of him before he knocked him out. People forget how well Ali could take a punch or dish out punishment. He was not strictly a finesse fighter, he was fast, but could knock your arse out. His hand speed was definitely faster and probably had better footwork. If he could handle dead-on shots by Foreman, he could handle anything Tyson threw at him.

5. There are several fighters who would've beaten Tyson. Foreman would've killed him. Watch the Frazier and Norton fights. He would've destroyed Tyson and Tyson would've had a problem with someone that size. All George would've done is push him off and then club him on the way out.

Holmes? Tyson probably couldn't have handled that jab and Larry damn sure could take punches. Frazier? tossup. Similar styles and joe was a gamer. They could've knocked each other out. Norton would've beaten Tyson. Joe Louis? HA!!! Kicked Tyson's arse. Tyson never fought someone of that caliber. Watch the Baer Louis fight. Took Baers best stuff for the first round then kicked his arse.

Tyson may have looked great, but he never fought anyone that was in his prime at the top of his game that would've ranked in the top 15 heavyweights of all time and sorry, I don't include Evander in that list Not one of those guys would've been intimidated by Tyson either. Also keep in mind the 15 round change to 12 changed things as well. All these guys could and did go 15 rounds on a regular basis.

If Foreman fought a smart fight he would have whipped Tyson IMO - just because a great power puncher with a superior jab and reach has an advantage... but there's really no guarantee that a Foreman in his prime fighting a Tyson in his prime chooses to fight a smart fight... if it had just been a slugfest Foreman/Tyson might have been a pickem

Good point mol. Foreman in his prime had a tendacy to forget about his jab and just throw hay makers. That is what lost him the fight to Ali.

People forget Ali would not give Foreman a rematch. he knew it wouldn't work twice.

Foreman would've just pushed off tyson then clubbed him.

Now, read that interview with Ali posted earlier and then watch that interview where he says BEFORE the Foreman fight how he will beat him and totally dismisses his power Same thing for Tyson.

Roaad, Foreman destroyed much better heavyweights than those Tyson fought just as quickly if not sooner. Watch the Holyfield Foreman fight. There is one round where Holyfield throws EVERYTHING he can at a fricking 50 year old George Foreman and could NOT knock him out, Holyfield's face changed when he realized he couldnl't do it. Yeah, you're right, Frazier didn't fight anyone like Tyson. Just better guys like Ali and Foreman.

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Roaad, Foreman destroyed much better heavyweights than those Tyson fought just as quickly if not sooner. Watch the Holyfield Foreman fight. There is one round where Holyfield throws EVERYTHING he can at a fricking 50 year old George Foreman and could NOT knock him out, Holyfield's face changed when he realized he couldnl't do it. Yeah, you're right, Frazier didn't fight anyone like Tyson. Just better guys like Ali and Foreman.

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Never compare Tysons resume vs Foremans.

Apples and oranges

yeah right.

Tyson would've destroyed Ken Norton in one round?

Not happening.