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re: Joe Frazier vs Mike Tyson (Who would win?)
Posted on 2/15/11 at 4:36 pm to molsusports
Posted on 2/15/11 at 4:36 pm to molsusports
quote:
ya, and stretching it out to 21 months made it seem like just a "bash mike" post
Wait, what? By over estimating Mikes undefeated title reign you think im bashing him? I thought the reign lasted 5-6 years after Cus' death. You corrected me that it was shorter than and I acknowledged it. I just don't see how that's a Mike bash.
I have no reason to bash mike. My agreement with other posters that Frazier would beat him isn't bashing him. Neither is my opinion on what caused his in ring slide.
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Posted on 2/15/11 at 6:04 pm to bomber77
quote:You guys have Tyson confused with Kimbo Slice.
I don't think he has a signature win in his career.
Tyson was very legit. He started beating lower level opponents, and then gradually upgraded.
He nearly killed Razor Ruddock. . .twice.
He beat Mike Spinks in under 2 minutes. People saying Spinks was not legit are fricking retarded. Just because Tysone fricking destroyed him, does not mean he is less legit. . .it just means that Tyson was THAT MUCH BETTER.
In his Prime, nobody beats Tyson.
Nobody.
I will also point out that I am old enough to have seen Frazier fight. Frazier is the reason I think Ali is a complete sack of pig shite.
I like Frazier, and he would not have been intimidated by Tyson one bit. . .but it wouldn't matter.
Tyson was as strong as anyone, and he was blazing fast.
This post was edited on 2/15/11 at 6:08 pm
Posted on 2/15/11 at 7:06 pm to TTownTiger
quote:
and Cus D'amato protege', Kevin Rooney.
This is the answer about Tyson. He let him go just before the Douglas fight and was NEVER the same.
Posted on 2/15/11 at 7:07 pm to Roaad
quote:
In his Prime, nobody beats Tyson.
bullshite!!! He was great in his PRIME, But WE are talking JOE Frazier!!
Posted on 2/15/11 at 7:09 pm to dukke v
quote:Not just Rooney. . .
He let him go just before the Douglas fight and was NEVER the same.
Tyson had so much shite going on. . .Tyson could have been fighting Bob Sagat and lost.
Posted on 2/15/11 at 7:11 pm to Roaad
quote:
He beat Mike Spinks in under 2 minutes. People saying Spinks was not legit are fricking retarded. Just because Tysone fricking destroyed him, does not mean he is less legit. . .it just means that Tyson was THAT MUCH BETTER.
You're seriously trying to sell us Michael fricking Spinks as Tyson's signature win to compare him to Frazier's resume?quote:I think there are at least 10 heavyweights who in their primes, would beat Tyson in his prime.
In his Prime, nobody beats Tyson.
This post was edited on 2/15/11 at 7:12 pm
Posted on 2/15/11 at 7:12 pm to dukke v
quote:I know who we are talking about. Tyson would destroy him. Tyson was too fast. He was as strong as anyone Frazier fought. . .but meaner and waaaaaaaay faster.
He was great in his PRIME, But WE are talking JOE Frazier!!
But Frazier was great in his day. Frazier is in my top ten all time.
Posted on 2/15/11 at 7:14 pm to Jamohn
quote:You want to blame Tyson for not having an Ali?
You're seriously trying to sell us Michael fricking Spinks as Tyson's signature win to compare him to Frazier's resume?
Had he not gone to prison, he was lined up to fight Holyfield.
But he fought some great fighters. People saying he fought nobody are fricking retarded.
Spinks was a great fighter.
quote:And you would be wrong.
I think there are at least 10 heavyweights who in their primes, would beat Tyson in his prime.
Posted on 2/15/11 at 7:17 pm to Roaad
quote:
Tyson was too fast. He was as strong as anyone Frazier fought. . .but meaner and waaaaaaaay faster.
You are Talking PRIME???????? Frazier would have worn him OUT. Tyson would NOT have done to JOE like he did to Spinks and the others. Tyson was a get it done QUICK guy. There is NO WAY he does this to JOE.
Posted on 2/15/11 at 7:20 pm to Roaad
quote:No. But you can't ignore the fact that he didn't beat anybody of note in his career.
You want to blame Tyson for not having an Ali?
quote:People who say that those who disagree with them on message boards are retarded are usually not highly intelligent.
But he fought some great fighters. People saying he fought nobody are fricking retarded.
quote:
Spinks was a great fighter.
Ironic, considering your immediate prior statement. quote:Most experts agree with me FWIW.
I think there are at least 10 heavyweights who in their primes, would beat Tyson in his prime.
And you would be wrong.
Posted on 2/15/11 at 7:20 pm to dukke v
quote:I don't think Frazier could have taken the punishment.
Frazier would have worn him OUT.
Frazier never fought anyone even close to Tyson. They were both brawlers, though.
Would go to round 3-5.
Tyson wins in a knockout.
Posted on 2/15/11 at 7:21 pm to Jamohn
quote:Razor Ruddock
he didn't beat anybody of note in his career.
Spinks.
Those two are definitely "of note".
Posted on 2/15/11 at 7:23 pm to Jamohn
quote:They are looking at Tyson's career.
Most experts agree with me FWIW.
I am talking about late 80's to the early 90's.
quote:Spinks was no Ali. . .but he was a great fighter.
Ironic, considering your immediate prior statement.
Posted on 2/15/11 at 7:23 pm to Roaad
quote:
I don't think Frazier could have taken the punishment.
I don't think Tyson could take the punishment.
quote:
Frazier never fought anyone even close to Tyson
ALI beat the shite out of him in 3 15 round fights!!! You need to do some research.
Posted on 2/15/11 at 7:26 pm to Roaad
quote:
In his Prime, nobody beats Tyson.
It's exaggerations like these that have caused the backlash against Tyson in regards to his place in boxing history.
I would actually slightly favor Tyson against Frazier. But nobody?
There are lots of bigger heavyweights out there would have given Mike fits:
Foreman
Ali
Vitali
Lennox Lewis (even in Mike's prime)
Holmes (in his prime, not the version Mike fought)
You could make a case for someone like Bowe. Holyfield maybe.
Posted on 2/15/11 at 7:26 pm to Roaad
I think that Tyson has gone from slightly overrated to vastly underrated, although it's his fault.
People use too many cliches when talking about Mike Tyson. "If you fight back, he'll fold" or "he didn't fight anyone when he was young". Those arguments are lazy and pretty dumb. When Mike was with Cus, he was the most technicly sound boxer EVER. He wasn't just some brawler back then like he ended up being years later. He was great. I'm not saying that Cus was the greatest trainer whoever lived, and Im not saying he was the #1 reason Tyson was great, but for whatever reason, Tyson loved and respected him more than anyone that he's ever had in his life. After Cus died and when Don King came into the picture, you saw changes in Tyson's attitude and eventually in the ring. He lost his discipline.
Still, for those years that he was focused on fighting he was great, maybe the greatest ever. I know it's not the poetic thing to say, but it's true. No one was going to stop him during those years.
People use too many cliches when talking about Mike Tyson. "If you fight back, he'll fold" or "he didn't fight anyone when he was young". Those arguments are lazy and pretty dumb. When Mike was with Cus, he was the most technicly sound boxer EVER. He wasn't just some brawler back then like he ended up being years later. He was great. I'm not saying that Cus was the greatest trainer whoever lived, and Im not saying he was the #1 reason Tyson was great, but for whatever reason, Tyson loved and respected him more than anyone that he's ever had in his life. After Cus died and when Don King came into the picture, you saw changes in Tyson's attitude and eventually in the ring. He lost his discipline.
Still, for those years that he was focused on fighting he was great, maybe the greatest ever. I know it's not the poetic thing to say, but it's true. No one was going to stop him during those years.
Posted on 2/15/11 at 7:27 pm to dukke v
quote:Ali was not the same fighter as Tyson.
ALI beat the shite out of him in 3 15 round fights!!!
Ali was boxer akin to Lennox Lewis.
Tyson was a brawler akin to Frazier. . .but faster and meaner.
Posted on 2/15/11 at 7:30 pm to PortCityTiger24
quote:
When Mike was with Cus, he was the most technicly sound boxer EVER
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
quote:
No one was going to stop him during those years
I agree with this KINDA!!!! Its when Ronney was gone is when he lost his edge.
Posted on 2/15/11 at 7:30 pm to Circle the Wagons
quote:Would be a great fight.
Foreman
quote:Was the type of boxer that Tyson made his money against.
Ali
Tyson would have beat Ali.
quote:In his Prime, Tyson ends Lewis' career.
Lennox Lewis
quote:In both their primes would be a similar fight to Tyson/Frazier.
Holmes (in his prime
Posted on 2/15/11 at 7:30 pm to Roaad
quote:They are talking about how great of a fighter he was. When they rate Ali, they're not talking about the Ali who fought Holmes and Berbick, are they? When they rate Louis, they're not talking about the Louis that fought Marciano, are they? It's the same thing. If you think Tyson in his prime is the greatest heavyweight ever, that's up to you. But you're going to have to face the fact that just about everybody with an informed opinion disagrees strongly with you.
They are looking at Tyson's career.
I am talking about late 80's to the early 90's.
quote:What is your definition of a great fighter? Was he chopped liver? No. Was he on the level of even the 2nd tier guys during the Ali/Frazier era like Shavers, Norton, and Quarry? Absolutely not.
Spinks was no Ali. . .but he was a great fighter.
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