re: Jay Bilas calls out the NCAA's hypocrisy.

I'll have to tear down all of these retarded arguments at a later time because I'm on my phone, but anyone who actually believes that Johnny Manziel has directly himself brought in an extra $37 million in revenue that TAMU would not have received otherwise is a waste of oxygen.

fricking idiots.

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Again, doesn't make sense, the first part, not one iota of sense lol.

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It makes complete sense, you just aren't keeping up.

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How is it detrimental?

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I'll answer this in two different ways.

First, and the only thing that really matters, is that the NCAA thinks it is detrimental. The NCAA has the right to protect its product, and can make rules (as it relates to the NCAA and its operations) to protect it. It doesn't have to justify its rules to anyone, and you don't get to decide if you agree or not. This is the only thing that matters.

However, to do the thinking for you, it is clearly detrimental to the NCAA's product. Much of the popularity of the NCAA is a result of the level playing field that exists between its members. I'm not saying it couldn't be more level. That's irrelevant. I'm saying that however you want to describe today's playing field between universities, it is very popular.

The NCAA's consumers (fans) love the fact that the game is won or lost based on the recruiting game (as it exists today), the developmental aspects of coaching (as it exists today), and the tactical aspects of coaching. Games and championships are won and lost based on those factors.

The minute you allow players to benefit financially from their status as a player, it opens a HUGE can of worms that cannot be effectively be policed by the NCAA. And, recruiting would no longer exist as it does today. Instead, the pull of financial gain for one university as opposed to another would be the selling point. You change recruiting and you change the entire balance of power to be based on something that really has nothing to do with the product itself. Games would be won or lost in part based on what school allow the player to sell the most jerseys or autographs.

Neither the NCAA, nor the consumers of the NCAA's products wants this.

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It is reality, and AGAIN, also 100% irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

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It is completely relevant. I don't know why you don't understand it. You are talking about fairness. How can an agreement between two parties be unfair...especially when the agreement only pertains to the operations within the NCAA?

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There's no point to going in circles here, you guys are just completley and entirely missing the point of the arguments being made.

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I don't think you have slowed down enough to catch up with those that disagree with you.

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It doesn't have to justify its rules to anyone

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You sure about that?

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Much of the popularity of the NCAA is a result of the level playing field that exists between its members. I'm not saying it couldn't be more level. That's irrelevant. I'm saying that however you want to describe today's playing field between universities, it is very popular.

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You can surely describe it as popular. The last word I would use to describe today's playing field is "level" so you're completely wrong on that one.

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The NCAA's consumers (fans) love the fact that the game is won or lost based on the recruiting game (as it exists today), the developmental aspects of coaching (as it exists today), and the tactical aspects of coaching. Games and championships are won and lost based on those factors

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And how much players are paid to play for certain teams. Let's be honest here, you don't have to hide it.

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The minute you allow players to benefit financially from their status as a player, it opens a HUGE can of worms that cannot be effectively be policed by the NCAA.

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Players do this now and it is not effectively policed now.

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And, recruiting would no longer exist as it does today. Instead, the pull of financial gain for one university as opposed to another would be the selling point.

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Already happening now.

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Again, same thing, wash/rinse/repeat...still irrelevant.

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The whole conversation is irrelevant because the NCAA is doing nothing wrong.

NCAA membership is voluntary.
Any adult citizen is free to make money selling goods and services.
The NCAA does not prevent anyone from making money doing anything.

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They aren't allowed to go pro out of highschool?

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Not to the NFL.

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Again the problem is the athletes shouldn't be forced to wait to make money. If they are good enough to be professionals they should be al;lowed to be professionals. End of story.

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If you mean play in the NFL, then that's the NFL and it's players union's decision. And, the NFL does not want that.

Obviously, JFF could have started selling his autograph right out of high school (or before). Of course, it wouldn't have been worth much since he wouldn't yet have been able to capitalize on the fame and notoriety of what playing in the NCAA has afforded him.

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No, it's called capitalism. If I wanted to see my autograph, I could without any repercussions.

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So, can JFF. He just can't play NCAA football if he does.

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If the market is willing to pay for products with Manziel's name on it, he should be able to take advantage of that. TAMU surely does, when they auction off Manziel signed helmets.

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THIS is capitalism. The NCAA and Manziel agreed to the terms of his association with the NCAA. I have no idea why so many people get hurt by the fact that the agreement gives TAMU the rights to Manziel products...not Manziel. And, Manziel can opt out of this agreement at ANY TIME.

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No, it's called capitalism. If I wanted to sell my autograph, I could without any repercussions. The market wouldn't give me anything, because my name on a product isn't worth anything.

If the market is willing to pay for products with Manziel's name on it, he should be able to take advantage of that. TAMU surely does, when they auction off Manziel signed helmets.

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I agree if the market is willing to pay JFF should be able to capitalize off it as a professional. He should not have to wait 3 years in college.

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moneyg

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I'm super intelligent, and even I don't think I could have made any better points than you have in this thread.