PKTiger

re: Someone give just one example of systemic racism, just one

Posted by PKTiger on 6/9/20 at 9:55 pm to WaWaWeeWa

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This is a multi billion dollar business, you think that owners that will literally do anything to win would intentionally not hire black coaches who may be more skilled? Use your head man

No one ever said that racism had to be intentional to be systemic. I’m sure the owners have felt that every hire was a good hire. But you’re right, this is outcome based. Of all the qualified candidates, white coaches are disproportionately hired as head coaches.

Everyone here keeps arguing that it’s not systemic, but the NFL has expanded the rules built to combat the problem. If they can admit, why can’t you?

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re: Someone give just one example of systemic racism, just one

Posted by PKTiger on 6/9/20 at 6:38 pm to Bjorn Cyborg

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Will Wade never even played high school basketball.
Mike Leach didn't play in college.

I haven't researched this, but a quick Google search tells me that Hall of Fame coaches Vince Lombardi, Paul Brown, Bill Walsh & Bill Belichick never played past high school.

I specifically said NFL hiring so Will Wade and Mike Leach don’t do anything to prove your point.

Also, over 90% of coaches have played college football. Finding exceptions to the rule doesn’t mean that the rule doesn’t exist. In addition, I would challenge you to find black exceptions to that rule.

Edit: A quick look at Wikipedia would tell you that all four NFL coaches you named played college football.

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re: Someone give just one example of systemic racism, just one

Posted by PKTiger on 6/9/20 at 1:59 pm to Turbeauxdog

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Well given the percentage of black head coaches is approximately matching the percentage of black people in the country , there’s definitely no issue with black coaches.

Problem is that the general population is not the hiring pool for hiring NFL head coaches. If we said college football playing experience was a basic requirement to be a head coach, I’d bet that your proportion is off.

Edit: typo

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re: Someone give just one example of systemic racism, just one

Posted by PKTiger on 6/9/20 at 1:56 pm to oogabooga68

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Is arguing that arguing that Physical skills tend to be more common in a certain race ludicrous?

No, it’s not ludicrous. There’s science that proves that people of certain nationalities or backgrounds have genetic predispositions to physical traits.

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re: Someone give just one example of systemic racism, just one

Posted by PKTiger on 6/9/20 at 1:34 pm to AggieHank86

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I sometimes find myself agreeing with some of your points, but this is just brain-dead stupid.

Nick Saban is not today's most-successful coach because someone taught him to be the most-successful coach. He earned that title by having greater analytical ability than anyone else and by being a better communicator than anyone else. Those are innate trait, not unlike speed or strength.

Are they more-common among Whites than among Blacks? That is certainly subject to debate, but it is not unreasonable to argue that the answer to this question might indeed be "yes."

I’m willing to admit that saying those skills aren’t innate probably was a stretch too far. But that doesn’t change the fact that white coaches have been given some advantage in the system that can’t be explained by saying that it’s a meritocracy.

To your last point, arguing that analytical skills are more common in a certain race is absolutely ludicrous.

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re: Someone give just one example of systemic racism, just one

Posted by PKTiger on 6/9/20 at 1:05 pm to imjustafatkid

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The same way you think coaching hiring is racist.
White people being the best coaches isn't a sign of racism just like black people being the best players isn't a sign of racism. Winning a job based on your merit is what we should be wanting, regardless of color.

I don’t know why this is so tough to comprehend. Playing football requires natural skills that cannot be taught. Coaching football does not require any natural skills; anything you need can be taught.

That there are more black players than white players does not mean that racism exists. Please stop with this false equivalency.

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re: Someone give just one example of systemic racism, just one

Posted by PKTiger on 6/9/20 at 12:50 pm to Bjorn Cyborg

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Now do the players.

Please explain how you feel like player hiring is racist.

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re: Someone give just one example of systemic racism, just one

Posted by PKTiger on 6/9/20 at 12:44 pm to gthog61

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Playing and coaching are too entirely different skill sets.

I never argued that they were.

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If blacks rightly dominate at cornerback because they are better why is it just absolutely horrible to even consider that whites might be better at coaching?

One requires natural, inherent ability and the other is coaching. If you’d legitimately argue that whites are better at coaching, then I’d argue that you’re racist.

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re: Someone give just one example of systemic racism, just one

Posted by PKTiger on 6/9/20 at 12:27 pm to Bjorn Cyborg

I see that you, and most people here don’t understand systemic racism at all. The lack of policy or code doesn’t mean that a system can’t be racist. For systemic racism to exist, it means that the system functions in a way that inherently places a burden on a particular group of people, usually black people in this country.

Some people have thrown out the cocaine vs. crack cocaine as an example, but I’ll use another. Coaching hiring in the NFL is systemically racist unless you believe that blacks are generally less qualified to be head coaches. There’s no rule that exists that says you can’t hire blacks, but that’s clearly how the system works. And the NFL, by adopting and expanding the Rooney Rule, are admitting that their system is racist and that they need to put in measures to combat that.

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re: "An Open Letter to White Men in America"

Posted by PKTiger on 7/25/15 at 11:13 am to RogerTheShrubber

Some of the privileges break around the poverty line, but there are others that transcend financial impact.

Blacks are more likely to get tough penalties for the same crime. They are more likely to get stopped by police. They are less likely to get a job with the same qualifications.

re: "An Open Letter to White Men in America"

Posted by PKTiger on 7/25/15 at 11:05 am to tiderider

Nothing is required, but I think an intelligent person should be able recognize some of the advantages they've had in life. Being empathetic means acknowledging your privilege rather than looking down on someone who didn't have the same opportunity you had.

In no way is that an apology or a free pass in life.

re: "An Open Letter to White Men in America"

Posted by PKTiger on 7/25/15 at 10:37 am to RealityTiger

I'm guessing it's also the parents' choice to send their kids to underfunded, overcrowded schools, right? If only they worked harder, they could send their kids to better schools.

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re: "An Open Letter to White Men in America"

Posted by PKTiger on 7/25/15 at 10:26 am to RealityTiger

That would make education less than 20% of the picture. You sure about that?

re: "An Open Letter to White Men in America"

Posted by PKTiger on 7/25/15 at 10:15 am to RealityTiger

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The problem begins and ends in the home. Who and where are the parents? And I'm talking about biological parents, not passed down to grandparents and aunts/uncles. Has really nothing to do with race or socioeconomic status

Again, the success of someone is ultimately determined by multiple factors, but sure, keep trying to narrow it down to one thing.

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re: "An Open Letter to White Men in America"

Posted by PKTiger on 7/25/15 at 12:56 am to monteandmakers

When did you see me say it was just luck?

Now there's no doubt that luck is a factor. Just like intelligence, effort, support, money, and a ton of other things are factors.

Saying that all you need is effort to be successful is obtuse.

re: "An Open Letter to White Men in America"

Posted by PKTiger on 7/25/15 at 12:45 am to monteandmakers

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You make you're own path in life and sleep in the bed you make.

This is the line of thinking that shows a complete lack of empathy for those who are less privileged. Some people don't have the same resources available to them as those more fortunate than them.

For example, I was lucky enough to go to Catholic school my whole life in New Orleans. Here, that's a huge advantage to someone that had to attend public schools that same time. But that option isn't available to all people.

re: "An Open Letter to White Men in America"

Posted by PKTiger on 7/24/15 at 8:55 pm to gatorrocks

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Wait... So there weren't any successful blacks before segregation?

Wait...so you're stupid enough to think segregation didn't limit the upward mobility of blacks in general?

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re: "An Open Letter to White Men in America"

Posted by PKTiger on 7/24/15 at 5:00 pm to RLDSC FAN

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Tiger Droppings is one of the most pathetic websites out there right now. Everything is racial with them. It amazes me how big it's gotten considering how much junk they spew on a daily basis.

:lol:

re: "An Open Letter to White Men in America"

Posted by PKTiger on 7/24/15 at 4:19 pm to More beer please

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My great grandparents and great great grandparents didnt have shite.

Think about it this way. Your family has been building wealth for probably around 100 years. Black people haven't been free of segregation for 50 years.

It's not some crime to acknowledge that whites had a head start on black people in America.

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re: Do you have a concealed & carry license?

Posted by PKTiger on 7/24/15 at 12:54 pm to TDsngumbo

All for CC, but I don't believe having a gun will not help the AVERAGE gun carrier in the AVERAGE encounter.

For those that do carry "for protection," what are some of the instances when you forsee having to use your gun?