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re: Jay Bilas calls out the NCAA's hypocrisy.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 8:55 am to ballscaster
Posted on 8/7/13 at 8:55 am to ballscaster
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The rule isn't absurd, or else no one with professional earning potential would ever agree to follow it.
It's not like some athletes actually have a choice. If you want to play in the NFL, there aren't viable options besides playing college football.
Brandon Jennings decided he wanted to get paid for the year between HS and the NBA, so he went overseas. It only worked, though, because the NBA invests a lot in international scouting.
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Posted on 8/7/13 at 8:59 am to PKTiger
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It only worked, though, because the NBA invests a lot in international scouting.
And because he had NBA talent coming out of highschool. It isn't a big a leap for NBA teams as it is for NFL teams.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 8:59 am to Black n Gold
quote:This has nothing to do with the NCAA. If you'd like to make money playing football, you shouldn't join the NCAA. If you'd like to make money acting, you shouldn't join the NCAA.
True, but the plays and musicals held by the school could be considered an extracurricular activity. The school sells tickets to the plays just like they sell tickets to football games.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 9:02 am to TbirdSpur2010
quote:Is this to say that the NCAA can positively affect one's earning potential? Meaning, because of involvement with the NCAA, one stands to make millions more dollars than if not so involved?
You would agree to follow it if your professional earning potential could be effectively negated for not doing so, as in this case.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 9:05 am to PKTiger
quote:Not the NCAA's problem. NCAA membership is voluntary.
It's not like some athletes actually have a choice. If you want to play in the NFL, there aren't viable options besides playing college football.
It's not the rest of the world's job to make sure you can get paid for doing something that isn't intrinsic to human survival. If you can't find a way to get paid for playing football, then whose problem is that? Get a job.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 9:07 am to ballscaster
I'm just glad the NCAA and the schools are getting all this money instead of the athletes.
No one has ever been exploited by contracts in America. No one has ever entered into a contract later deemed to be unconscionable either.
No one has ever been exploited by contracts in America. No one has ever entered into a contract later deemed to be unconscionable either.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 9:08 am to ballscaster
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Is this to say that the NCAA can positively affect one's earning potential? Meaning, because of involvement with the NCAA, one stands to make millions more dollars than if not so involved?
Both parties need each other. Obviously, players stand to make more by being exposed on the NCAA's stage. But, the NCAA's product is severely hurt without big time athletes. As of now, one of these parties is raking in money hand over foot. The other is told that a scholarship should suffice.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 9:14 am to SG_Geaux
Bottom line: the NCAA shouldn't be making a goddamn mint off of "amateur" players, then telling the players if they try to make money on the side from their own successes they will get suspended or booted off the team or ruled ineligible.
If the players can't make money off their own success, particularly in an era of college sports when literally tens of millions of dollars are made every year due to the on the field success of players, then the NCAA shouldn't be able to make money off them either. That includes selling replica jerseys or video games with player likenesses.
The more and more egregious this becomes, the more and more I agree with the sentiment that the modern college athlete, particularly the modern day college football player, is also the modern day indentured servant, or, in the sense of Roman gladiators, modern slaves. They're given plush accommodations for being good, but their stardom makes their owners way more money than the plush accommodations given to them.
Players like Johnny Manziel and Tryann Mathieu elevated themselves to pop status through their on-the-field play and the creativity of fans. Manziel is "Johnny Football" or "Johnny Heisman" and Mathieu is "the Honey Badger." I'm not sure any other college athlete has reached such stardom prior to going to the NFL. Maybe Tebow or Andrew Luck, but I feel like such reverence for college football players on such a grand scale is a much more recent phenomenon and the NCAA is cashing in in the worst way.
But, hell, the other side is compelling, too, I guess. I get paid $X to work for my law firm, but I bring in $Y every year and Y is far greater than X. Perhaps I should start selling my services on the side... Here's the thing, though - I could and no one could really stop me.
If the players can't make money off their own success, particularly in an era of college sports when literally tens of millions of dollars are made every year due to the on the field success of players, then the NCAA shouldn't be able to make money off them either. That includes selling replica jerseys or video games with player likenesses.
The more and more egregious this becomes, the more and more I agree with the sentiment that the modern college athlete, particularly the modern day college football player, is also the modern day indentured servant, or, in the sense of Roman gladiators, modern slaves. They're given plush accommodations for being good, but their stardom makes their owners way more money than the plush accommodations given to them.
Players like Johnny Manziel and Tryann Mathieu elevated themselves to pop status through their on-the-field play and the creativity of fans. Manziel is "Johnny Football" or "Johnny Heisman" and Mathieu is "the Honey Badger." I'm not sure any other college athlete has reached such stardom prior to going to the NFL. Maybe Tebow or Andrew Luck, but I feel like such reverence for college football players on such a grand scale is a much more recent phenomenon and the NCAA is cashing in in the worst way.
But, hell, the other side is compelling, too, I guess. I get paid $X to work for my law firm, but I bring in $Y every year and Y is far greater than X. Perhaps I should start selling my services on the side... Here's the thing, though - I could and no one could really stop me.
This post was edited on 8/7/13 at 9:15 am
Posted on 8/7/13 at 9:15 am to PKTiger
So what's the solution?
How do players get paid without creating a huge disparity in college football? How do you stop the exploitation of the rules that will almost assuredly come when you allow players to be paid?
How do players get paid without creating a huge disparity in college football? How do you stop the exploitation of the rules that will almost assuredly come when you allow players to be paid?
Posted on 8/7/13 at 9:15 am to Billy Mays
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What about the guys that get hurt, don't contribute, or athletes from non-revenue-generating sports?
If no one wants to give them an endorsement, they don't get an endorsement.
quote:Not being an arse, but i'm not sure of the relevance of this.
How many millions does TAMU pay other scholarship athletes NOT named Manziel tho?
Posted on 8/7/13 at 9:17 am to ballscaster
quote:This one never sits well with me.
The deal is made clear upon signing, and these adults consent to this deal. There is no hypocrisy, and this is 100% fair since all parties involved consent to the terms
Manziel is the outlier here, but let's think about the average player at 18 years old who is signing this contract. Think about where he comes from, his family background, the coaches/uncles/friends, you name it who are all trying to pull him in one direction that is best for them and not him, and so on...
I get it, he's 18, an adult, signing a legal, binding contract. But let's be 100% honest, it's nothing more than the NCAA preying on kids who have no idea and no way of even having an idea of what all of this entails.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 9:19 am to ballscaster
quote:It's absolutely the issue.
What he deserves isn't the issue.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 9:20 am to TbirdSpur2010
quote:This times eleventy seven billion!
I agree he's guilty as frick for breaking the rules he agreed to and should be punished accordingly if/when the ncaa collects sufficient damning evidence, but that doesn't diminish the absurdity of the rule itself
Posted on 8/7/13 at 9:20 am to ballscaster
quote:What?
The rule isn't absurd, or else no one with professional earning potential would ever agree to follow it
You have to follow it to maximize your professional earning potential, so you're incorrect here.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 9:21 am to ballscaster
quote:Or he can be injured in his senior season and never make a penny. So very interesting.
Interesting. That is, these players need the NCAA in order to maximize their future earning potential. By participating in NCAA games, a talented player stands to make millions more dollars than he would if he didn't do so. So very interesting
Posted on 8/7/13 at 9:21 am to LoveThatMoney
quote:Nobody can stop JM from selling his name, either.
But, hell, the other side is compelling, too, I guess. I get paid $X to work for my law firm, but I bring in $Y every year and Y is far greater than X. Perhaps I should start selling my services on the side... Here's the thing, though - I could and no one could really stop me.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 9:22 am to shel311
quote:So if you don't like the deal, you don't have to sign it.
You have to follow it to maximize your professional earning potential, so you're incorrect here.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 9:23 am to ballscaster
quote:So CFB is cool to make alllllllll of the money off of these kids because they can sign an NFL contract?
Is this to say that the NCAA can positively affect one's earning potential? Meaning, because of involvement with the NCAA, one stands to make millions more dollars than if not so involved?
That makes no sense.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 9:23 am to EarthwormJim
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How do players get paid without creating a huge disparity in college football?
I dont think that is the problem. I think it becomes a huge issue when you factor in other college athletes in different sports. No way NCAA could get away with just paying football players
Posted on 8/7/13 at 9:23 am to EarthwormJim
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So what's the solution?
Give players cost of living stipends in addition to scholarships. Allow them to profit from their own image and likeness. Strictly enforce rules that police impermissible benefits by boosters.
It could be as simple as saying a booster cannot engage in any type of business with players if they contribute to the university.
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