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re: Jay Bilas calls out the NCAA's hypocrisy.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 10:58 am to PKTiger
Posted on 8/7/13 at 10:58 am to PKTiger
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All of that is true, but they're about to lose a lawsuit because they didn't give a shite.
Are you saying that it is impossible for an institution like the NCAA to enter an agreement with an individual like Ed O'Bannon that gives the NCAA rights to market O'Bannon's likeness? Don't confuse the lack of an agreement, or an ambiguous agreement with the impossibility of said agreement.
More importantly, you are confusing the argument of who owns the likeness of a player (for sale) with the ability to enforce rules of eligibility. That is clearly a flawed point of view. You are conflating two different discussions.
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Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:01 am to shel311
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They shouldn't, but separately, they should give a shite about the players, right?
Bleeding heart.
The NCAA cares that its players have access to education. If they don't care about whether they have access to the NFL, does that mean they don't care? If the NCAA cares that the players have a place to live and access to meals, books, etc. but also wants to profit on that player, does that mean it doesn't care?
You know who doesn't care about this line of reasoning? Fans. It's subjective and irrelevant.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:02 am to moneyg
quote:I love that you're admitting the player is creating value while in college, and that everyone around him gets to reap the direct benefits of his value right then and there except for him, the guy who created it.
Is it not the player's time playing NCAA football which gives him the status to make money off of his name?
Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:02 am to VerlanderBEAST
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Yeah that is one of a hundred guys who have played in the NHL at 18.
Is he the only one with concussion issues?
Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:03 am to moneyg
Serious question here. Following the letter of the law, how can players like JM receive awards like the Heisman while still maintaining their elegibility? the trophy obviously has value and is given out by an institution ouside of the jurisdiction of the NCAA.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:04 am to VerlanderBEAST
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An athlete should not have to go to college or stay in college. He should be able to start making money whenever he has the ability to.
I agree with this, ETA: but, in football, there is a belief that a young athlete needs college to hone in technique and let their bodies mature. My point is that, if you make them go to college, the university doesn't have to pay them, but they shouldn't punish the young man for signing contracts for endorsements.
This post was edited on 8/7/13 at 11:09 am
Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:04 am to ballscaster
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This is a good point because every party who has ever entered a court is guilty of everything of that with which they are charged
The comment was that they don't have to answer to anyone. being in court kinda proves that point to be incorrect.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:04 am to shel311
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I love that you're admitting the player is creating value while in college, and that everyone around him gets to reap the direct benefits of his value right then and there except for him, the guy who created it.
He can. He can stop playing football and sign as many autographs and make as much money as he wants.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:05 am to moneyg
quote:i don't think anyone is arguing the "ability" to enforce the rules, at least, I'm not.
with the ability to enforce rules of eligibility
Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:06 am to LoveThatMoney
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But, hell, the other side is compelling, too, I guess. I get paid $X to work for my law firm, but I bring in $Y every year and Y is far greater than X. Perhaps I should start selling my services on the side... Here's the thing, though - I could and no one could really stop me.
It's not compelling because you are paid in DOLLARS. These athletes are paid in assets that CANNOT be liquidated.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:07 am to moneyg
quote:Do they?
The NCAA cares that its players have access to education
They care, first and foremost, that the players make them a shite ton of money.
YOu can mask it and call it bleeding heart, cause you just continue to repeat the same phrases, or you can just call it what it is, reality. The NCAA cares about them making the NCAA a ton of money, anything else is secondary.
quote:You do realize that the NCAA is well on its way to being irrelevant as well, right? Why is that?
You know who doesn't care about this line of reasoning? Fans. It's subjective and irrelevant.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:08 am to JG77056
quote:Sure he can, it's also an irrelevant point to the discussion.
He can. He can stop playing football and sign as many autographs and make as much money as he wants
It just is.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:09 am to shel311
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I love that you're admitting the player is creating value while in college, and that everyone around him gets to reap the direct benefits of his value right then and there except for him, the guy who created it.
Bleeding heart. Welcome to the real world. This fact is not something I have denied, nor is it something that hurts my heart the way it hurts yours.
In fact, a practical description of the agreement between the NCAA would be something like this:
In exchange for:
* Tuition
* Books
* Housing
* Food
* Medical Care
* College experience
* Access to facilities
* Platform to showcase your talents to the NFL
* All other misc. advantages of attending a collegiate university
You agree to:
* Play football
* Give rights to revenue earned due to your playing of football to the University you are attending
* Give rights to revenue earned due to the marketing of your playing of football to the University you are attending
* You agree to follow the rules and regulations regarding eligibility. Breaking the eligibility rules could result in your inability to continue within this agreement.
A player thinks about this...decides he wants to do it, and guys like yourself can't sleep at night because you think it is unfair.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:09 am to Suck Out West
How's this for a compromise?
The NCAA writes its own membership rules and criteria however it likes, and if any individual doesn't like those rules, then that individual doesn't have to join the NCAA.
The NFL writes its own membership rules and criteria however it likes, and if any individual doesn't like those rules, then that individual doesn't have to join the NFL.
I think we can all agree that this is a reasonable compromise.
The NCAA writes its own membership rules and criteria however it likes, and if any individual doesn't like those rules, then that individual doesn't have to join the NCAA.
The NFL writes its own membership rules and criteria however it likes, and if any individual doesn't like those rules, then that individual doesn't have to join the NFL.
I think we can all agree that this is a reasonable compromise.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:11 am to moneyg
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A player thinks about this...decides he wants to do it, and guys like yourself can't sleep at night because you think it is unfair.
Normative standards and descriptive standards are not the same thing. And, AGAIN, mutual assent is IRRELEVANT. There have been plenty of contracts FREELY entered into in the past that now are IMPERMISSIBLE.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:11 am to moneyg
Wash/rinse/repeat, same thing over and over and over and over and over.
And it's irrelevan the 1st and 17th time you said it.
And it's irrelevan the 1st and 17th time you said it.
quote:Guys like you live in some perfect world that is far, far away from a little thing called reality.
and guys like yourself can't sleep at night because you think it is unfair
Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:11 am to JG77056
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Is he the only one with concussion issues?
No there are players who didn't break in to the NHL until they were well in to there 20's who have concussion issues.
There is also Gordie Howe who played in the NHL at 18 and retired at 51 and is still alive and kicking at 85. Everybody is different.
The fact that some players may have concussion issues is more the reason why they be able to turn pro after high school and not be forced to wait.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:12 am to shel311
quote:Ironically, you keep repeating this same phrase as if it has anything to do with whether a person is right or not. moneyg is right; you are wrong.
you just continue to repeat the same phrases
quote:They sure do burn a lot of calories and spend a lot of money making sure players go to class.
YOu can mask it and call it bleeding heart, cause you just continue to repeat the same phrases, or you can just call it what it is, reality. The NCAA cares about them making the NCAA a ton of money, anything else is secondary.
This post was edited on 8/7/13 at 11:13 am
Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:12 am to shel311
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i don't think anyone is arguing the "ability" to enforce the rules, at least, I'm not.
That is exactly what you are arguing. You are arguing the point that the NCAA can't decide to "prevent" players from gaining payment for their status without losing eligibility.
Nobody, including the NCAA is saying that JFF couldn't give up playing in the NCAA and decide that he is going to make money on his status.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:13 am to shel311
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YOu can mask it and call it bleeding heart, cause you just continue to repeat the same phrases, or you can just call it what it is, reality. The NCAA cares about them making the NCAA a ton of money, anything else is secondary.
That is subjective. AND, who cares?
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