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re: Jay Bilas calls out the NCAA's hypocrisy.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 10:33 am to VerlanderBEAST
Posted on 8/7/13 at 10:33 am to VerlanderBEAST
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That is what I mean. The NFL's nonsensical 3 year rule is the problem. Not college players needing to be paid
I don't necessarily agree, but I see your point. My argument is that the NCAA shouldn't be able to exploit the fact that they're a gap between HS and the NFL by forcing players to ignore their current earning potential.
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Posted on 8/7/13 at 10:34 am to JG77056
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I'm super intelligent, and even I don't think I could have made any better points than you have in this thread.
Thanks for the compliment
Posted on 8/7/13 at 10:36 am to moneyg
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Clearly, it makes sense to the NFL. I don't know why you don't want to accept that. Why would it have to change?
Because they are the problem if you are good enough to play professionally then you should be able to do so. There is no good reason why you must wait 3 years
Posted on 8/7/13 at 10:37 am to VerlanderBEAST
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There is no good reason why you must wait 3 years
Because 18 year old kids would be murdered daily in the NFL.
ETA: There's no good reason why you have to be 35 to be president of this country, but it's still a rule.
This post was edited on 8/7/13 at 10:40 am
Posted on 8/7/13 at 10:38 am to PKTiger
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I don't necessarily agree, but I see your point. My argument is that the NCAA shouldn't be able to exploit the fact that they're a gap between HS and the NFL by forcing players to ignore their current earning potential.
Forcing players? Is the agreement between the players and the NCAA not voluntary? Can the player not separate from that agreement at any time it wants?
PLUS, the earning potential that exists only exists because of the notoriety that the player gained by playing within the NCAA.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 10:39 am to VerlanderBEAST
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Because they are the problem if you are good enough to play professionally then you should be able to do so.
Says you. I don't see it as a problem...neither does the NFL, or the players union with whom it has to negotiate a collective bargaining agreement.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 10:40 am to VerlanderBEAST
Does the Professional Developmental Football League accept players out of highschool?
Posted on 8/7/13 at 10:42 am to moneyg
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Forcing players? Is the agreement between the players and the NCAA not voluntary? Can the player not separate from that agreement at any time it wants?
Show me statistics that point to other viable means of getting to the NFL, and I'll agree that it's voluntary.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 10:43 am to moneyg
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Forcing players? Is the agreement between the players and the NCAA not voluntary? Can the player not separate from that agreement at any time it wants?
I have long held this argument. JM can stop playing football for TAMU today if he wanted to.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 10:43 am to PKTiger
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Show me statistics that point to other viable means of getting to the NFL, and I'll agree that it's voluntary.
Why should the NCAA even give a shite about plaeyrs' other options?
Posted on 8/7/13 at 10:45 am to JG77056
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Because 18 year old kids would be murdered daily in the NFL.
This is true, but it isn't even really the reason.
The NFL may understand that if it opens that door, that some teams may feel the need to "play for the future" more than other teams...and it might think that is detrimental to its product as a whole. It might think that its product may be diminished if a significant percentage of salary is tied up by players who aren't ready/able to play. It might decide that the NFL gets a major marketing advantage by allowing players to gain fame on the backs of a mature, non-competing institution.
The bottom line is that the decision is in the best interest of the NFL as a whole...and thus in the best interest of the players within the NFL because the pie that they share is bigger.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 10:45 am to JG77056
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Because 18 year old kids would be murdered daily in the NFL.
ETA: There's no good reason why you have to be 35 to be president of this country, but it's still a rule.
18 year olds do fine in the NHL, Boxing and I bet they also do fine in rugby, all just as if not more physical sports than football. Yet they will get murdered by the big strong NFL players, murdered I tell ya.Posted on 8/7/13 at 10:46 am to VerlanderBEAST
Sidney Crosby seems to be doing just fine doesn't he? No injury issues there.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 10:47 am to VerlanderBEAST
Someone needs to start a pay league for 18-22 yr. olds. Problems solved.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 10:48 am to Black n Gold
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Why should the NCAA even give a shite about plaeyrs' other options?
They don't. It makes no sense for them to. If they're the only option, they're clearly more valuable. And it allows them to take advantage of players who want to go to the NFL.
All of that is true, but they're about to lose a lawsuit because they didn't give a shite.
This post was edited on 8/7/13 at 10:49 am
Posted on 8/7/13 at 10:48 am to Black n Gold
quote:They shouldn't, but separately, they should give a shite about the players, right?
Why should the NCAA even give a shite about plaeyrs' other options?
Posted on 8/7/13 at 10:50 am to PKTiger
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Show me statistics that point to other viable means of getting to the NFL, and I'll agree that it's voluntary.
Is it the NCAA's responsibility to get players in the NFL?
If a player cannot get to the NFL without the NCAA, doesn't that show that the NCAA brings value to that player beyond the scholarship, room/board, etc?
Can't a player decide to leave college at any point and declare for the NFL draft as soon as the NFL allows it?
Is it not the player's time playing NCAA football which gives him the status to make money off of his name?
Do you have a point with this line of reasoning?
Posted on 8/7/13 at 10:52 am to JG77056
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Sidney Crosby seems to be doing just fine doesn't he? No injury issues there.
Yeah that is one of a hundred guys who have played in the NHL at 18.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 10:57 am to shel311
quote:This is a good point because every party who has ever entered a court is guilty of everything of that with which they are charged.
I believe they're in court now, right?
quote:Why mess with success? I'm right.
I'll just copy/paste, why not:
Again, same thing, wash/rinse/repeat.
The real hypocrites in this argument are the ones who think that the NCAA owes the players anything outside the agreement they make with each individual player.
Those hypocrites say that when a player has earning potential, he should be able to earn money for whatever he likes.
I say that if he wants to earn money, he needs to not join the NCAA.
The hypocrites then say that this is not a fair thing to say since there are no other viable options for creating and maintaining earning power outside the NCAA.
So whose earning power are we talking about, then?
Posted on 8/7/13 at 10:57 am to moneyg
Michael Lewis bought his time hauling beer. While this is the raest of stories, he earned a NFL roster spot without the help of the NCAA. The NCAA doesn't owe this guy shite.
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