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re: Jason Whitlock is going nuclear on Flores situation, says sinister plot behind lawsuit
Posted on 2/3/22 at 6:33 am to dallastigers
Posted on 2/3/22 at 6:33 am to dallastigers
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dallastigers
Wow, the second shortest coaching stint on that list was 10 years in Zach Taylor. That kind of puts perspective on leftwich.
I think leftwich will get a HC job eventually. I also think Frazier with Buffalo and Bowles with Tampa will both get another shot.
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Posted on 2/3/22 at 6:39 am to moneyg
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Your stance is that the OP should get a time out because of "his" opinion.
I backtracked on that after he edited the OP
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and there it is. It never fails...the lefty in the room is the racist.
I said nothing racist. Im not sure you know what that word means
Posted on 2/3/22 at 6:40 am to SammyTiger
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Yes his QB is Tom Brady, but did that stopped BOB, McDaniels, or Weis? No.
Weis and BoB had to go to college to get HC gigs. Weis was horrendous while BoB managed Pedo State through a real shite patch, got the houston gig, did well as the HC, and then completely shat the bed as the GM.
McDaniels got a job and was promptly fired what, 2 years? 3? And brought back to New England.
Leftwich has not been coaching for all that long, all things considered, and it wouldn’t shock me if GM’s want to see him without Brady. As you’ve stated repeatedly, why hasn’t that been held against some other guys and you’re right, but, a lot of those other guys have spent 10+ years coaching as they started right after college and may have learned how to construct a team during that time, not just how to call a game.
I’m not saying he can’t, I’m saying I can see why in his individual case he isn’t having his door beaten down yet.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 7:06 am to SammyTiger
Keep up the good fight. We need the NFL to mandate hiring a black coach for every other opening
Posted on 2/3/22 at 7:55 am to Jack Ruby
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Anyone who knows pro football, knows former running backs don't make good coaches. Bienemy also has a closet full of skeletons from his days at Colorado. If he wasn't black, he would have already been #MeTooed.
This bothers me for a very specific reason. If Whitlock has information, he should report it. If he doesn't he shouldn't regurgitate it. Reporters are WAY too loose with stuff like this. His points on Bienemy can stand without the he has stuff that no one can tell you about.
If you don't have the courage to report it either at the time or when you become aware of it, you shouldn't say it.
This post was edited on 2/3/22 at 8:01 am
Posted on 2/3/22 at 7:57 am to TexasTiger08
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LaFleur spent 4 seasons as QB coach in Washington. That’s one of those franchises with a culture issue. He did work with RG3, though.
And his Ic was Kyle Shannahan who is one of the best offensive Minds in the game.
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Two years with Atlanta as QB coach, included the SB squad.
Where he worked with an established QB and actually wasn’t there when they went to the Super Bowl. And he was still under Shannahan.
Then he works for McVey, who calls the plays and runs the offense.
So he finally gets the reins of his own NFL offense in Tennessee and they are 25th in YPG and 27th in PPG.
So when he was hired as a HC he never had success as a playcaller and had all his success under Shannahan and McVey. Without the gift of hindsight that it all worked out, that’s a pretty big red flag. They hired a guy who had never called plays and made him their playcaller.
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The old adage suggests that great players typically do not make great coaches
Well he was Byron Leftwich.
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Beyond that, his being an NFL qb for 9 years is pretty much irrelevant. When has this ever helped someone become a coach?
Doug Pederson. He went from coaching Calvary Baptist to NFL HC in 8 years. He got his first real NFL coaching job in 2011 and his head coaching job in 2016 and he has a super bowl, and a 4-2 playoff record.
You want to throw out the team records for the Cards but just right off the redskins as “bad culture”
This post was edited on 2/3/22 at 8:05 am
Posted on 2/3/22 at 8:39 am to SoFla Tideroller
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So you agree "systemic racism" is a load of horse crap?
In 2022. Yes.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 8:43 am to Deactived
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A proven Coach who’s still young
It’s a thread about a rant in race.
Yeah, it’s a disaster.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 8:45 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Yes his QB is Tom Brady, but did that stopped BOB, McDaniels, or Weis? No.
Weis and BoB had to go to college to get HC gigs. Weis was horrendous while BoB managed Pedo State through a real shite patch, got the houston gig, did well as the HC, and then completely shat the bed as the GM.
McDaniels got a job and was promptly fired what, 2 years? 3? And brought back to New England.
Leftwich has not been coaching for all that long, all things considered, and it wouldn’t shock me if GM’s want to see him without Brady. As you’ve stated repeatedly, why hasn’t that been held against some other guys and you’re right, but, a lot of those other guys have spent 10+ years coaching as they started right after college and may have learned how to construct a team during that time, not just how to call a game.
I’m not saying he can’t, I’m saying I can see why in his individual case he isn’t having his door beaten down yet.
^^This guy gets it. Some people are passed over due to their predecessors failure based on similar situations/personnel. Charlie Weiss is a perfect example of somebody who sucked without Belichek & Brady. Romeo Crennel also benefited from that, but didn't do so well as HC either.
Also all of this is pretty stupid, to take Candidate A & Candidate B and look at their resumes only and think that all things are equal outside of their resume. We are talking about being the face of a multi-billion dollar company. A person can be a great part of the team (OC, QB Coach, DC, LB coach etc.) but not necessarily be a good team leader (HC or GM). If the reports are true someone like Bienemy interviewing like shite, then do you trust him and offer him HC over a another candidate with a similar resume that interviewed better and may happen to be a different race? One thing that none of us have any real insight on is how do the players respond to these individual coaches? How much command do these individual coaches take of a team meeting, or a game plan, or how many times have they been right or wrong on their opinion of bringing in a free agent or draft pick? I don't have those answers, but neither does anybody on this board.
What if a GM/Owner really do like somebody like Leftwich (only 6yrs coaching experience) and think he will be good, but they don't want to ruin him by giving him too much too fast? Leftwich also didn't do himself any favors by getting offered his first HC job and telling them he wanted them to fire their GM and hire his own personal choice for GM.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 8:50 am to Open Your Eyes
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most people aren’t racists that make decisions about others based solely on the color of their skin.
What if there's a middle ground? I don't think most owners will absolutely refuse to hire a black guy. What I do believe is that there are multiple owners who think white guys have a better aptitude for coaching than black guys. I mean I've already seen the same thought process echoed on this board multiple times.
So while an owner may not specifically hire someone just because they're white, or refuse to hire solely because they're black. I do think that as a black coach, many times they have to prove themselves even more just to say they have what it takes to be a HC.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 8:51 am to Doug_H
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Leftwich also didn't do himself any favors by getting offered his first HC job and telling them he wanted them to fire their GM and hire his own personal choice for GM.
Wait what?
Posted on 2/3/22 at 8:54 am to SammyTiger
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Why isn’t Leftwhich a HC somewhere? He’s had a great offense the last two seasons and coaching a HOFer doesn’t seem to hurt Hackett’s resume.
Leftwich was basically hired by the jaguars but said he wouldn't work with trent baalke
Posted on 2/3/22 at 8:56 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Wait what?
Leftwich told Jacksonville he was not working for Trent Baalke as GM, and told them that he wanted them to hire Adrian Wilson
Posted on 2/3/22 at 8:57 am to SammyTiger
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You want him coaching your favorite team right now?
He had the lions playing great football to end the year
Don't let campbell's looks fool you. He is a very good football coach. Reminds me of vrabel.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 9:02 am to Jack Ruby
Excellent overview and bullet-points of Whitlock's take.
+100
+100
Posted on 2/3/22 at 9:04 am to Chalkywhite84
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Leftwich was basically hired by the jaguars but said he wouldn't work with trent baalke
Can't blame him honestly. The Jaguars are a horrible team with and a terrible organization overall. He would basically be destined to fail by walking into that job. Especially with that being his first HC job, it would take years of being a coordinator again just to work himself up to a HC gig again.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 9:07 am to QJenk
I agree. He shouldn’t want the Jags job. Not right now.
The broncos and saints on the other hand…
The broncos and saints on the other hand…
This post was edited on 2/3/22 at 9:08 am
Posted on 2/3/22 at 9:14 am to bcoop199
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The guy that should be pissed about not getting a 2nd chance is Pederson. The guy won a SB with a backup QB.
Frank Reich is to blame for Pederson being out of a job I think. I think most people believe (know) he was the brains behind that offense that was the reason they won it all. He's showing that in Indy IMO.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 9:43 am to CatfishJohn
just caught up on this
funny thing is these NFL owners and GMs all know each other and talk. Flores goes nuclear after two HC spots are filled, no doubt the word was out on Flores and what happened in miami, his agent told him what was being said about him and it pissed him off
just like the word gets around on anyone and everyone else in the League and most of what we see in the media is controlled by Agents, GMs and PR Firms and is propaganda intended to manipulate us
funny thing is these NFL owners and GMs all know each other and talk. Flores goes nuclear after two HC spots are filled, no doubt the word was out on Flores and what happened in miami, his agent told him what was being said about him and it pissed him off
just like the word gets around on anyone and everyone else in the League and most of what we see in the media is controlled by Agents, GMs and PR Firms and is propaganda intended to manipulate us
This post was edited on 2/3/22 at 9:44 am
Posted on 2/3/22 at 9:45 am to SOCAL TIGER
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Whitlock is the most honest man in sports and journalism! Facts
He’s allowed to do this because, you know, he’s black.
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