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Posted on 2/3/22 at 1:09 am to SammyTiger
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Also the whole “they want to win so they will hire the best guy” argument falls apart when they consistent make bad hires.
Hindsight, bro.
ETA: some of those bad hires have been black coaches.
This post was edited on 2/3/22 at 1:13 am
Posted on 2/3/22 at 1:17 am to TexasTiger08
1. Never said LaFleur was a bad hire. I said He had red flags and that all candidates have red flags. The point is, and read this sentence, that LaFleur got the opportunity to show those red flags were false alarms but Leftwich doesn’t get the opportunity.
2. I didn’t deflect but You’re pulling a bullshite “NFL owners and GMa know more
So who are You to criticize Them” sure
I’m Just a guy in the internet. But NFL Owners and GM are More Wrong than right. There are a lot of bad coaches hired and fired. NFL teams fall in love with a coach and he ends up being incompetent. It happens all the time.
3. Do you thinkLaFleur got the HCing job because he coached college ball
Or because he had a few good years
As an OC? Does being a GA as Central
Michigan mean that much more than being an NFL QB for 9 years?
They were both NFL OCs
Leftwich has been an OC longer than LaFleur was and has had statistically
More Success.
2. I didn’t deflect but You’re pulling a bullshite “NFL owners and GMa know more
So who are You to criticize Them” sure
I’m Just a guy in the internet. But NFL Owners and GM are More Wrong than right. There are a lot of bad coaches hired and fired. NFL teams fall in love with a coach and he ends up being incompetent. It happens all the time.
3. Do you thinkLaFleur got the HCing job because he coached college ball
Or because he had a few good years
As an OC? Does being a GA as Central
Michigan mean that much more than being an NFL QB for 9 years?
They were both NFL OCs
Leftwich has been an OC longer than LaFleur was and has had statistically
More Success.
This post was edited on 2/3/22 at 1:34 am
Posted on 2/3/22 at 1:23 am to SammyTiger
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That’s a nice thought, but it doesn’t exclude them being racist.
It doesn’t mean they are racist either. You see unlike you, most people aren’t racists that make decisions about others based solely on the color of their skin.
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If an NGl owner believed black people were inferior at coaching he would then believe hiring any white guy would be the best business decision right?
People don’t position themselves to become owners of professional sports teams by making decisions based on race. See Donald Sterling.
You wouldn’t understand this because you have absolutely no idea what it takes to be that successful, probably because you’re too busy trying to figure out how something is racist literally all the time.
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Also the whole “they want to win so they will hire the best guy” argument falls apart when they consistent make bad hires.
No, it means they’re bad at making birds.
Wanna know how I know you have no idea what it takes to be successful in life? You think billionaires became and stayed billionaires by intentionally self-sabotaging themselves.
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Acknowledging differences in races isn’t the same as saying one is superior to another
Deciding a black child learns different than a white child simply because they are different races is the very definition of racism. That’s what you do. You are a racist.
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And you think even studying whether a different approach to teaching a culturally Different group
This is you supporting critical race theory again. Racists support critical race theory. You are a racist.
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while defending an argument that black people fail in school simply because they are lazy.
Link that post. Go ahead, I’ll wait.
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Won’t go into this further.
Yea, you typically run like a bitch when it’s accurately pointed out how much of a racist you are.
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That’s not what this thread is about and that was hashed out months ago while you were crying about Tate. Who’s been fine.
Tate is a racist that supports critical race theory, just like you. And just like David Duke would never have been selected as the president of lsu, Tate shouldnt have either.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 1:32 am to Open Your Eyes
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It doesn’t mean they are racist either. You see unlike you, most people aren’t racists that make decisions about others based solely on the color of their skin.
Please share your statistics
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People don’t position themselves to become owners of professional sports teams by making decisions based on race. See Donald Sterling.
How many NFL Owners positioned themselves to be owners?
A huge portion are family
Owned.
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You wouldn’t understand this because you have absolutely no idea what it takes to be that successful, probably because you’re too busy trying to figure out how something is racist literally all the time.
It would be a lot easier if I just I here it’s an NFL team.
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No, it means they’re bad at making birds. Wanna know how I know you have no idea what it takes to be successful in life? You think billionaires became and stayed billionaires by intentionally self-sabotaging themselves.
My point was they aren’t intentionally sabotaging themselves they’re iust incompetent.
If you aren’t hiring a guy who’s black because you think black people
Are Dumb you are intentionally sabotaging yourself. You are unintentionally sabotaging yourself.
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Deciding a black child learns different than a white child simply because they are different races is the very definition of racism. That’s what you do. You are a racist.
What definition are You using?
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This is you supporting critical race theory again. Racists support critical race theory. You are a racist.
Circular logic.
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Link that post. Go ahead, I’ll wait.
That the alternative.
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Tate is a racist that supports critical race theory, just like you. And just like David Duke would never have been selected as the president of lsu, Tate shouldnt have either.
Has Tate ever said anyone was inferior?
Posted on 2/3/22 at 1:41 am to SammyTiger
One thing Whitlock brought up that hasn't been discussed much in this thread is the tanking. Whitlock is absolutely correct that tanking goes on all the time. Indy did it to get Luck and I'm sure the Miami owner wanted to tank to try and get Burrow or some other top QB in the draft. It also happens all the time in the NBA. If the owner was doing it simply to bet against his team that's one thing but tanking to get a better draft pick is not unusual.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 1:45 am to SammyTiger
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Adam Gase
Same record at Miami without the load of top draft picks…. FIRED too
Posted on 2/3/22 at 1:46 am to SammyTiger
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I didn’t deflect but You’re pulling a bullshite “NFL owners and GMa know more
So who are You to criticize Them” sure
I’m Just a guy in the internet. But NFL Owners and GM are More Wrong than right.
There’s 32 teams in the league. 14 make the playoffs each season. Unless teams take care to rotate playoff trips, you’ll have about 50% of these hires turn out to be “bad.” Some teams even get tired of bowing out in the WC round (see Marvin Lewis), so that percentage could be higher. Not every coach that fails is incompetent. Many times, the problem is talent on the field/team culture. You are incorrectly suggesting that every coach fired was a bad hire at the time. Fans typically won’t know it’s a bad hire until the wins and losses pile in. It’s cheap to use hindsight when discussing this.
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Do you thinkLaFleur got the HCing job because he coached college ball
Or because he had a few good years
As an OC?
LaFleur spent 4 seasons as QB coach in Washington. That’s one of those franchises with a culture issue. He did work with RG3, though. Two years with Atlanta as QB coach, included the SB squad. 1 season as OC with the Rams where they had Goff as QB and won the division. 1 season as Titans OC where they went 9-7 with Mariota and Gabbert at QB. Then he gets his chance with GB.
Leftwich: 2 seasons with Arizona as QB coach and interim OC. Cards went 8-8 and 3-13. Carson Palmer, Sam Bradford, Josh Rosen among QBs. 2 seasons as Bucs OC saw the team go 7-9, then SB champs. QBs would include Jameis and Brady.
Statistically more success? You have to look deeper my friend. The devil’s advocate would say that winning a division with Goff as QB is pretty damn impressive, and going 9-7 with Mariota and Gabbert is just as, maybe more, impressive than 7-9 with 30/30 man Jameis Winston. Where do we rank Leftwich’s role in the last two Tampa seasons?
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being an NFL QB for 9 years?
The old adage suggests that great players typically do not make great coaches. Leftwich was ok, but not great. Beyond that, his being an NFL qb for 9 years is pretty much irrelevant. When has this ever helped someone become a coach?
Posted on 2/3/22 at 1:50 am to Open Your Eyes
He is completely copping out in this discussion. I asked him for some numbers and stats earlier, but he didn’t provide it. I had to do that myself.
Now he wants you to provide some stats to show that most people aren’t racist.
It’s clear he has some predetermined judgements (I.e. prejudices) against a certain group of people by lumping them all together. Ironic.
Now he wants you to provide some stats to show that most people aren’t racist.
It’s clear he has some predetermined judgements (I.e. prejudices) against a certain group of people by lumping them all together. Ironic.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 1:54 am to SammyTiger
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Please share your statistics
My statistics that most people aren’t racists? I live in the real world. I talk to people. I observe how people interact. I’m 100% content in my statement.
You actively seek out racism in every situation where you perceive a black person to be slighted. You have to flat out lie to create racism where it doesn’t exist to produce enough supply to meet the demand for racism you've created. Are you ready to join a new message board for whatever school koy Moore ends up at to carry his water for another fabricated racism incident?
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How many NFL Owners positioned themselves to be owners?
Tell me you’re afraid to address the point without telling me you’re afraid to address the point.
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It would be a lot easier if I just I here it’s an NFL team.
Try english next time.
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My point was they aren’t intentionally sabotaging themselves they’re iust incompetent.
Your point is an abject failure just like everything else you post.
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If you aren’t hiring a guy who’s black because you think black people Are Dumb
And here you are again making generic statements about black people simply because they are black. This time it’s that they are dumb just because they’re black. Tell us again how you aren’t an unabashed racist.
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you are intentionally sabotaging yourself. You are unintentionally sabotaging yourself.
Make up your mind you fricking moron.
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What definition are You using?
The definition that says you are making a decision about somebody based on nothing but the color of their skin.
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Circular logic.
Prove it wrong.
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That the alternative.
How you, an unabashed racist, views differences in education outcomes:
Either black people learn differently simply because they are black, or black people are lazy.
How non-racists view differences in education outcomes: what kind of support systems are in place, are the people being compared part of the same economic class, how much emphasis is placed on education, etc.
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Has Tate ever said anyone was inferior?
Tell me you’re afraid to address the point without telling me you’re afraid to address the point.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 2:00 am to TexasTiger08
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He is completely copping out in this discussion.
I’m very well aware. It’s what he has to do all the time because is determined to find racism where it simply doesn’t exist.
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It’s clear he has some predetermined judgements (I.e. prejudices) against a certain group of people by lumping them all together. Ironic.
He has literally said black kids learn differently than white kids and should therefore be taught differently, simply because they are black. He is 100% the very thing that he dedicates his entire life to finding.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 2:20 am to SammyTiger
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Please share your statistics
What a disaster of a thread.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 2:46 am to bcoop199
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One thing Whitlock brought up that hasn't been discussed much in this thread is the tanking. Whitlock is absolutely correct that tanking goes on all the time. Indy did it to get Luck and I'm sure the Miami owner wanted to tank to try and get Burrow or some other top QB in the draft. It also happens all the time in the NBA
As he mentioned in the video, the 76ers openly and overtly tanked for years on end and even even nicknamed it "The Process" and yet no one said anything other than jokingly referred to their disiatrous seasons. The NBA did nothing about it, even as they intentionally gave their fans the worst product they could season after season.
As Whitlock states, the tanking issue is the avenue the media and behind the scenes players will use to try to get Ross out as owner of the Dolphins. Stephen A. has already floated the idea of taking the team away from him. This was why the Donald Sterling precedent was so dangerous. Hell, the NFL already did it to Jerry Richardson, too, because he was a creepy old dude who used to put seatbelts on big breasted women who worked for him to feel them up. It's bad, yeah, but worth having to sell your fricking team over???
And Richardson was basically the biggest shill for the league and for Goodell. But still, the owners are the idiots who re-elected him to run their league, so they sowed their own oats here.
ESPN will be in full propoganda mode for this for months. They'll treat the lawsuit like it's the second coming of Curt Flood or the Black Sox. It will be nauseating and yet, amazingly, we won't hear one single differing opinion on any of their platforms. Amazing how that will work itself out, isn't it?
Posted on 2/3/22 at 2:54 am to SammyTiger
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qualifications don’t seem to be getting the job done.
So you're saying they don't have the qualifications to be hired so instead they should be hired because of the color of their skin?
Posted on 2/3/22 at 3:24 am to Barstools
He literally asked for statistics that show the majority of white people are NOT racist 
Posted on 2/3/22 at 4:47 am to TexasTiger08
Kind of a hypocritical by Whitlock since he always panders to the right wing white base of this country. The real question is who's writing his checks to come out with these "hot takes"?
Posted on 2/3/22 at 4:50 am to Jack Ruby
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sinister plot
Spoon feeding for the mentally weak.
One side feeds their minions and the other side has to do the same. Everything has been ruined by bullshite like this
Posted on 2/3/22 at 6:15 am to SammyTiger
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Why isn’t Leftwhich a HC somewhere? He’s had a great offense the last two seasons
lol, you dumb
Posted on 2/3/22 at 6:29 am to QJenk
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Just because someone says racism exists. Doesn't mean they literally think that every white person is racist.
So you agree "systemic racism" is a load of horse crap?
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