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re: Jack vs Tiger
Posted on 4/2/25 at 4:36 pm to dblwall
Posted on 4/2/25 at 4:36 pm to dblwall
Jack had a best career ever, Tiger had the best peak ever. These things can co-exist.
It should also be noted Tiger played a much deeper field than Jack. Sure, some big names were around when Jack was, but not nearly the bench depth of talent Tiger faced in my opinion.
ETA:
This was already posted by Bench McElroy, but I want to repost it to reinforce my point:
It should also be noted Tiger played a much deeper field than Jack. Sure, some big names were around when Jack was, but not nearly the bench depth of talent Tiger faced in my opinion.
ETA:
This was already posted by Bench McElroy, but I want to repost it to reinforce my point:
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Jack Nicklaus: “In 1930, there were perhaps ten golfers, pro or amateur, who might defeat Bob Jones when everything was right for them. After my first few years as a pro, there were maybe 30 guys who could beat me if I wasn't playing my best. If I were out there today (1998), that number would be tripled.”
This post was edited on 4/2/25 at 4:38 pm
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Posted on 4/2/25 at 4:41 pm to lsupride87
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Calvin Peete didn’t pick up a golf club until he was in his 20s. He then won 12 times on the PGA tour in the 70 and early 80s
That’s laughable to think about happening today
He also never fricking missed a fairway
That helps in any era. Peete was a freak of nature and an N of 1.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 4:42 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
You have no clue how much golf I’ve have played. Your judging of me shows how immature you really are. You would be replacing MY divets….
Posted on 4/2/25 at 5:21 pm to dukke v
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You have no clue how much golf I’ve have played. Your judging of me shows how immature you really are.
Peej, how dumb are you? I merely disagreed with your opinion and you started the judging. I won’t get personal with you, though I almost did.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 5:56 pm to RemouladeSawce
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That 15 occurred in a much tighter timeframe and if not for a decaying body ends up somewhere in the 20’s
So, what's your point? There were people pointing out way back when Tiger was in his prime that his swing was a ticking time bomb as it pertained to his body. They were (correctly) pointing out that it was a matter of when, not if, his body was going to pay the price for the torque of his swing. Yet, Eldrick did nothing about it. So, was his game really "better" when everyone knew the inevitable result?
Posted on 4/2/25 at 6:00 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Posted on 4/2/25 at 9:13 pm to beaverfever
The answer really is “short span” Tiger was most dominant GOAT easy. “Long Term” it’s jack nicklaus. That answer is t clean enough for some but it’s the truth
Posted on 4/2/25 at 9:56 pm to ChestRockwell
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Give Jack modern clubs and he is the GOAT.
Jack was driving a balata ball 300 plus yards with a persimmon head driver.
TG was driving advanced golf balls with titanium head drivers.
Jack played and won against the best players, Arnold Palmer, Lee Trevino, Johnny Miller, Gary Player, Dave Casper, Tom Watson, Raymond Floyd, Hale Irwin, Tom Weiskopf...
Jack had so many runners up in the majors and on the regular tour, its unbelievable.
TW was no doubt a special talent but who was his main competition?
Phil Mickelson.
Phil would have won several more majors and regular tourneys if he was not so aggressive in his shot selection.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 12:29 am to Reubaltaich
He wasnt hitting 9 irons from 180 yards.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 12:56 am to SoFla Tideroller
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So, what's your point? There were people pointing out way back when Tiger was in his prime that his swing was a ticking time bomb as it pertained to his body. They were (correctly) pointing out that it was a matter of when, not if, his body was going to pay the price for the torque of his swing. Yet, Eldrick did nothing about it. So, was his game really "better" when everyone knew the inevitable result?
My thoughts too when posters introduce Tiger's injuries into the discussion. Tiger treated a marathon as a sprint and gassed himself.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 10:53 am to dblwall
Most agree Jack had the better career (obviously) and Tiger had the higher peak.
I also believe that Tiger, without question, would've had the better career in the end had he not destroyed his body in his 30s.
I also believe that Tiger, without question, would've had the better career in the end had he not destroyed his body in his 30s.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 11:38 am to Reubaltaich
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TG was driving advanced golf balls with titanium head drivers.
Tiger played with the worst equipment, relative to the fields, on the PGA Tour. Balata balls were also used on tour until 2004. Tiger had already won 8 majors by that point. Tiger used blade irons and drivers didn't make a huge leap in tech until well into Tiger's career
This is what Tiger used to obliterate the Master's field in 1997
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Jack played and won against the best players, Arnold Palmer, Lee Trevino, Johnny Miller, Gary Player, Dave Casper, Tom Watson, Raymond Floyd, Hale Irwin, Tom Weiskopf...
are you really going to try and argue the fields were deeper when Jack was in his prime? Jack himself would disagree with you there
This post was edited on 4/3/25 at 11:42 am
Posted on 4/3/25 at 11:43 am to lsufball19
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Balata balls were also used on tour until 2004.
ProV1 came out in 2000. Most everyone started a solid core ball soon after its debut on Tour although a few older pros didn’t. I would say by the end of 2001, the wound ball was all but eliminated from use
This post was edited on 4/3/25 at 11:44 am
Posted on 4/3/25 at 3:01 pm to lsufball19
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Balata balls were also used on tour until 2004. Tiger had already won 8 majors by that point.
Tiger swapped to a Nike solid core ball at the 2000 US Open where he obliterated the field. The ProV1 debuted that fall.
This post was edited on 4/3/25 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 4/4/25 at 8:31 am to lsufball19
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Tiger played with the worst equipment, relative to the fields, on the PGA Tour.
Back around 2008ish when there was talk about rolling back equipment they asked Jack about this. He was very clear that if they did Tiger would be even more dominant.
It’s obvious both men have tremendous respect for each other and would never say anything to slight the other in any way. Tigers run in the 2000s is arguably the greatest of all time.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 9:21 am to lsufball19
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Tiger played with the worst equipment, relative to the fields, on the PGA Tour. Balata balls were also used on tour until 2004. Tiger had already won 8 majors by that point. Tiger used blade irons and drivers didn't make a huge leap in tech until well into Tiger's career
So much wrong here
Posted on 4/4/25 at 9:43 am to iwyLSUiwy
Tiger played a ball that was light years ahead of the field
Posted on 4/4/25 at 2:58 pm to The Pickwick
If you are somewhat into golf you know Lee Trevino has been struck by lightning on the course during a tournament. Hence this statement "If you are caught on a golf course during a storm and are afraid of lightning, hold up a 1-iron. Not even God can hit a 1-iron”
Posted on 4/4/25 at 5:44 pm to dblwall
All you have to do is look at who came in 2-15 on all of jacks majors.
The us ones had practically no Europeans. Case in point no European won Augusta til 1980.
The open had practically no Americans.
There were like 8 players that traveled to everything.
If you want to argue jacks the best you can. I won’t even say you’re wrong.
But Jack didn’t have to play the best players in the world every tournament. And that’s not really debatable.
The us ones had practically no Europeans. Case in point no European won Augusta til 1980.
The open had practically no Americans.
There were like 8 players that traveled to everything.
If you want to argue jacks the best you can. I won’t even say you’re wrong.
But Jack didn’t have to play the best players in the world every tournament. And that’s not really debatable.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 5:55 pm to CBandits82
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Tigers 3 US amateurs is insane and no one ever talks about it.
Actually more precise to say he won 6 straight USGA amateur events since he won 3 straight jr amateurs prior to those 3. People might dismiss or scoff at it, but it shows his dominance at a young age. Doubt that's ever equaled.
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