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re: Is James Harden the most overrated player in NBA history?
Posted on 4/19/16 at 11:40 am to Froman
Posted on 4/19/16 at 11:40 am to Froman
quote:bullshite. If Harden was traded to the Pelicans for draft picks you would be shitting your pants with excitement.
I wouldn't say most overrated in history, but I wouldn't want him on my team getting significant minutes.
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Posted on 4/19/16 at 11:52 am to AU_251
quote:
Quite the contrary. Why do you think he is heralded as such a beast? Because he wasn't good?
b/c he scored a bunch of points and was a little guy.
as a player who actually played the right way though?
nah.
awful on defense, selfish ball stopper to the point that playing off him was difficult for pretty much everyone, lazy, entitled, didn't want to run anything other than iso, lived at the line b/c he threw himself into other players, refused to work on the little things to the detriment of his team... yea... that James Harden's style all the way.
Posted on 4/19/16 at 11:56 am to HarrisLetsRide
quote:This makes no sense.
This guy with the list gets it. I didn't say there were 20 better players, Harden is a talent. I just don't want him anywhere near my team
Before the Rockets got James Harden, they were projected to be one of the worst teams in the league.
Then they traded for James Harden just a couple days before the season starts, and they end up finishing the season 45-37 and making the playoffs.
The next season they go 54-28 and make the playoffs as the 4th seed.
Then this past season they go 56-26 as the 2nd seed in the West, and make the conference finals.
This year is an anomaly as they finished the season 41-41 with virtually the same roster that won them 56 games the year before. And even still, they did not have a losing record and still made the playoffs.
In the 4 seasons that Harden has been with the Rockets, they have won an average of 50 games per year, made the playoffs all 4 years, and reached the western conference finals. And with OKC, he helped them reach the NBA Finals. Many people credit him with being the player who destroyed the Spurs in the WCF to propel OKC to the Finals.
This idea that he's not a winner and is going to destroy your team is nonsense.
This post was edited on 4/19/16 at 11:59 am
Posted on 4/19/16 at 12:16 pm to Macintosh
Best way to describe harden is that he is a loser. Loser mentality with no drive. The most success he had was at OKC when he was their 3rd best player. He isn't someone cut out to lead.
Posted on 4/19/16 at 12:51 pm to Aggie Fishfinder
quote:
Best way to describe harden is that he is a loser. Loser mentality with no drive. The most success he had was at OKC when he was their 3rd best player. He isn't someone cut out to lead.
You are saying 3rd best player like he is some scrub. All 3 players have been MVP candidates.
Secondly, he has never been on a team with a losing record in the NBA, and he's never missed the playoffs.
2009: 50-32, playoffs first round
2010: 55-27, playoffs conference finals
2011: 47-19, playoffs NBA finals
2012: 45-37, playoffs first round
2013: 54-28, playoffs first round
2014: 56-26, playoffs conference finals
2015: 41-41, playoffs
Posted on 4/19/16 at 12:55 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:
he has never been on a team with a losing record in the NBA, and he's never missed the playoffs.
Cute
Posted on 4/19/16 at 12:55 pm to PrimeTime Money
That guy is hands down the dumbest poster here.
Posted on 4/19/16 at 1:02 pm to Macintosh
Harden's not overrated. The game is just transitioning to a different style that's required for success, and he's on the wrong side of that. That ball-dominant iso style is not what wins anymore. It could've worked maybe 4-5 years ago, not anymore. You either adjust or get left behind. That sucks for him because he's in the middle of his career but it is what it is.
Posted on 4/19/16 at 1:07 pm to Goldrush25
quote:It's not by choice. It was out of necessity due to the fact that the Rockets have not had any reliable scorers other than Harden for the past 2 years.
Harden's not overrated. The game is just transitioning to a different style that's required for success, and he's on the wrong side of that. That ball-dominant iso style is not what wins anymore. It could've worked maybe 4-5 years ago, not anymore. You either adjust or get left behind. That sucks for him because he's in the middle of his career but it is what it is.
Before last year, Parsons could score and so could Lin on a given night and Terrence Jones didn't suck then. Terrence Jones has been missing this year after he got in that car accident.
So because of the lack of reliable offensive players the past 2 years, Harden HAD to play hero ball.
Posted on 4/19/16 at 1:08 pm to TbirdSpur2010
quote:It's a fact. He cannot be a loser if he's literally never been on a team with a losing record.
Cute
Posted on 4/19/16 at 1:09 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:
he has never been on a team with a losing record in the NBA, and he's never missed the playoffs.
Ehh come on. Thats a stat Boom would throw out there. Yes its technically true, but OKC years were all Durant and Westbrook until Harden had 2 decent games in a 1-4 Finals series loss.
Posted on 4/19/16 at 1:10 pm to vengeanceofrain
quote:
Words you will never hear anyone say "damnn Iverson mailed it in"
I disagree, very very lightly.
The one time i got to see Iverson play in New Orleans, i spent the money to sit as close as i could b/c i wanted to see him play more than anyone else. Bought the tickets early on in the year for a game in like March. This was in 2004, and ended up being a game after he refused to play b/c they were going to bring him off the bench.
While he is known for giving it his all just about every time, he definitely did not in this game. Looked like he had better things to do that day. I was disappointed.
Posted on 4/19/16 at 1:12 pm to More beer please
quote:Harden was the 6th man of the year. They don't go as far as they did without him.
Ehh come on. Thats a stat Boom would throw out there. Yes its technically true, but OKC years were all Durant and Westbrook until Harden had 2 decent games in a 1-4 Finals series loss.
Posted on 4/19/16 at 1:15 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:
It's a fact. He cannot be a loser if he's literally never been on a team with a losing record.
I never called him a loser.
However, whether he's a winner is very much up for debate since none of his teams have won it all. Depends on your perspective.
I was just laughing at that particular part of your post
Posted on 4/19/16 at 1:18 pm to PrimeTime Money
The finals year, yes. Others? Thats arguable.
Or was it cause they had the GOAT PG Fisher on the team with his million playoff victories, championships, finals appearances, etc.
Or was it cause they had the GOAT PG Fisher on the team with his million playoff victories, championships, finals appearances, etc.
Posted on 4/19/16 at 1:18 pm to Goldrush25
quote:Careful, I've been down this road, said virtually the exact same thing and got called an idiot and retard, I think by the same poster you quoted even.
Harden's not overrated. The game is just transitioning to a different style that's required for success, and he's on the wrong side of that. That ball-dominant iso style is not what wins anymore. It could've worked maybe 4-5 years ago, not anymore. You either adjust or get left behind. That sucks for him because he's in the middle of his career but it is what it is.
Posted on 4/19/16 at 1:20 pm to shel311
I want to see Harden defend Barnes for the rest of the series. Two worlds collide.
Posted on 4/19/16 at 1:26 pm to shel311
If only every player was judged by his performance against quite possibly the greatest NBA team of all time.
Posted on 4/19/16 at 1:35 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:No one's saying Harden has to win, but if he truly deserves to be in the conversation with the best of the best, you'd at least think he'd step up his game in all facets, and not to continue to put up bad game after bad game, with little effort on D to the point of being mocked...again for his efforts on multiple plays.
If only every player was judged by his performance against quite possibly the greatest NBA team of all time
But I don't now, maybe true leaders lead that way?
Posted on 4/19/16 at 1:35 pm to Boomshockalocka
He has lost more games than he has won this season. We aren't judging him solely on his poor performances against the Warriors, baw.
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