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re: I'm really not sold on USC at all
Posted on 9/6/12 at 2:41 pm to JB Bama
Posted on 9/6/12 at 2:41 pm to JB Bama
Here is my final opinion on '03: There is no fricking way Oklahoma should've been in that game. It should have been LSU vs USC no doubt. But sometimes you just get screwed over in college football, and that is just how it is. IMO you can't be a national champion unless you win the national championship game. They obviously fricked up choosing who should be in that game, but that's why we're changing to a playoff system. If you deserve a share of the '03 title then Oklahoma State deserves a share of last year's. But I really don't want to start talking about '03.
As far as this year goes, give me a break if you're going to use games against North Texas and Hawaii as measuring sticks. It's pretty stupid to even have preseason/ early season rankings in my opinion, but if you are going to, you pretty much have to use last season as a reference. USC and LSU are basically the same teams from last year. There is simply no way in hell that a team losing to Stanford and Arizona State should be ranked higher than a team who had arguably the best regular season in CFB history.
As far as this year goes, give me a break if you're going to use games against North Texas and Hawaii as measuring sticks. It's pretty stupid to even have preseason/ early season rankings in my opinion, but if you are going to, you pretty much have to use last season as a reference. USC and LSU are basically the same teams from last year. There is simply no way in hell that a team losing to Stanford and Arizona State should be ranked higher than a team who had arguably the best regular season in CFB history.
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Posted on 9/6/12 at 2:49 pm to benhamin5555
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If you deserve a share of the '03 title then Oklahoma State deserves a share of last year's
to quote Clint Eastwood, deserve's got nothin' to do with it.
Like it or not, the AP DID NOT agree to to name the winner of the designated BCS CG as its national champ. Sorry, just because we call a bowl game the national title game and create a cute formula to determine who will get picked does not mean its the same as say the Super Bowl or NCAA tourney. The AP has been naming a national champ since 1936, over that time there have several "split" titles, including 1997, 1991, 1990 and 1978, when Alabama split a title with USC dispte the fact that USC beat them in Birmingham by 10
The title is legit, it wasn't "taken" from LSU. Since it was our first trip to the big time in most or our life times, i understand why many LSU fans were upset at the time. since then, we have established ourselves as an elite program. Miami, Michigan, Nebraska, USC, Bama and our opponents this week all have "split" national titles and don't care and neither should LSU.
Posted on 9/6/12 at 2:50 pm to benhamin5555
quote:Too late.
Here is my final opinion on '03: There is no fricking way Oklahoma should've been in that game. It should have been LSU vs USC no doubt. But sometimes you just get screwed over in college football, and that is just how it is. IMO you can't be a national champion unless you win the national championship game. They obviously fricked up choosing who should be in that game, but that's why we're changing to a playoff system. If you deserve a share of the '03 title then Oklahoma State deserves a share of last year's. But I really don't want to start talking about '03.
quote:It's the only game either team has played. What else is there?
As far as this year goes, give me a break if you're going to use games against North Texas and Hawaii as measuring sticks.
quote:Couldn't be further from the truth. We have new impact players, and 26 of them got their first playing time last Saturday. I am aware that LSU returns a lot though, which is why I was surprised when I looked at the stat sheet vs. UNT.
USC and LSU are basically the same teams from last year.
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There is simply no way in hell that a team losing to Stanford and Arizona State should be ranked higher than a team who had arguably the best regular season in CFB history.
Stanford has been one helluva football team the last few years (BCS Bowls both years, in which they went 1-1 and were a FG away from 2-0). We lost to ASU early in the season before they completely tanked under soon to be fired Dennis Erickson's "leadership."
At the outset of the season, I predicted SC would lose two games. One to Stanford, one to Utah. We'd make a BCS Bowl and win it. That might still happen, but I am growing cautiously optimistic based on what I've seen so far. We have a very young team in many spots, but a shedload of upside. The lack of experienced depth is being offset by some young and talented DL, and if they continue to improve, the sky's the limit.
Enjoyed the discourse Bama fan, your team looked better than anyone in week one. Enjoy Western Kentucky.
Posted on 9/6/12 at 3:07 pm to dukke v
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I think that was your best effort we will see all season.
Then USC is in serious trouble considering the points they left on the board against Hawaii...and that USC needs to be clicking on a higher level on O because of their D.
Barkley and Co. called Saturday's performance a C+ effort.
Posted on 9/6/12 at 3:08 pm to benhamin5555
They're a really good team with a joke of a schedule.
Easy pick for #1
Easy pick for #1
Posted on 9/6/12 at 3:08 pm to benhamin5555
They are good because of the following reasons
1. Good QB
2. Winnable schedule (maybe only 2-3 games they even have to think about losing)
3. good o-line
4. Steller players at the skill positions
5. solid linebackers (for the Pac 12)
I think they are probably worthy of a top 5 ranking this year with the talent they have.
1. Good QB
2. Winnable schedule (maybe only 2-3 games they even have to think about losing)
3. good o-line
4. Steller players at the skill positions
5. solid linebackers (for the Pac 12)
I think they are probably worthy of a top 5 ranking this year with the talent they have.
Posted on 9/6/12 at 3:24 pm to benhamin5555
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There is simply no way in hell that a team losing to Stanford and Arizona State should be ranked higher than a team who had arguably the best regular season in CFB history.
This is the worst argument of all-time and I am an LSU fan.
Posted on 9/6/12 at 3:32 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Like it or not, the AP DID NOT agree to to name the winner of the designated BCS CG as its national champ. Sorry, just because we call a bowl game the national title game and create a cute formula to determine who will get picked does not mean its the same as say the Super Bowl or NCAA tourney. The AP has been naming a national champ since 1936, over that time there have several "split" titles, including 1997, 1991, 1990 and 1978, when Alabama split a title with USC dispte the fact that USC beat them in Birmingham by 10 The title is legit, it wasn't "taken" from LSU. Since it was our first trip to the big time in most or our life times, i understand why many LSU fans were upset at the time. since then, we have established ourselves as an elite program. Miami, Michigan, Nebraska, USC, Bama and our opponents this week all have "split" national titles and don't care and neither should LSU.
You gonna get some people mad with that
Posted on 9/6/12 at 3:36 pm to H-Town Tiger
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say the Super Bowl or NCAA tourney
BTW: The AP could name a team that does not win the NCAA Tourney as national champs if they wanted to. The only way I could have seen that happening would have been had UNLV been put on probation in 91 when they went undefeated.
Posted on 9/6/12 at 3:37 pm to Zamoro10
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Barkley and Co. called Saturday's performance a C+ effort.
Offensively I would agree. Too many dropped balls, Barkley was off in his throws, piss poor on third downs . Anyone who is familiar with sc and watched would agree. That said, the O does not concern me.
If that had played in mid to late season form with the same calls, they would have easily scored 70.
This post was edited on 9/6/12 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 9/6/12 at 3:39 pm to benhamin5555
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USC and LSU are basically the same teams from last year.
I think losing Claiborne, Brockers and Honey Badger is a big deal, but LSU fans won't even acknowledge this.
Posted on 9/6/12 at 3:51 pm to Bunk Moreland
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I think losing Claiborne, Brockers and Honey Badger is a big deal, but LSU fans won't even acknowledge this.
Yeah, no.
The DL is fine. Losing Brockers isn't as bad as people think.....
Now, losing Claiborne and Mathieu def. hurt.
Hopefully the offense will be firing on all cylinders to be able to cover for the lack of experience in the secondary.
If there's on team that I don't want to see LSU play, that's USC.... because of their WR's. That's it. The rest of the time doesn't really strike fear into me.
Posted on 9/6/12 at 4:16 pm to FightOn4ever
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If that had played in mid to late season form with the same calls, they would have easily scored 70.
You are a 
Posted on 9/6/12 at 4:23 pm to Paul Allen
quote:You must really not want to be a homer.
I think they'll be hoisting the crystal ball in Miami.
Posted on 9/6/12 at 4:27 pm to dukke v
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PJ
He's not talking out of his arse - it seems only USC fans who actually watched the game knew the offense didn't look great.
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Despite the 49 points scored by USC and the electrifying plays by Marqise Lee, there were moments in the rout when fans in the stadium turned to each other and wondered if the team was asleep.
Two of USC's touchdowns came from the defense and special teams. The offense was good but not great, and it has too much talent and firepower to just be good.
WR Marqise Lee dropped a long TD. Robert Woods dropped one. New Trojan transfer Silas Redd fumbled. The O-Line was sufficient but not amazing.
The lack of a running game and the relatively quiet game of Robert Woods may have something to do with the feeling that, while prolific on Saturday night, the offense was not firing on all its available cylinders.
So for you to say...that's as good as USC is going to look...either you don't know USC, didn't watch the game, or don't think USC is any good.
This post was edited on 9/6/12 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 9/6/12 at 4:29 pm to primemover225
I wonder if the coaches weren't obligated to pick the winner of the MNC game would they have kept USC number 1?
Posted on 9/6/12 at 4:32 pm to Zamoro10
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or don't think USC is any good.
They are GOOD. But just NOT good enough for the long haul.
Posted on 9/6/12 at 4:43 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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I wonder if the coaches weren't obligated to pick the winner of the MNC game would they have kept USC number 1?
No one knows and it doesn't matter...but for posterity's sake or by extrapolation, this is what the polls looked like at the time...
Coaches pre bowl vote.
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1. USC (37) 11-1
2. LSU (18) 12-1
3. Oklahoma (8) 12-1
Even if LSU gained all (8) of OU's 1st place votes, they still would have trailed USC 37-26 in the Coaches Poll.
By comparison...after watching the two bowl games and comparing performances...the BCS and Rose...LSU lost 4 AP votes in the final poll and USC gained Oklahoma's 2 first place votes...so...and not LSU.
AP Pre-Bowl:
USC 42
LSU 21
AP Post-Bowl:
USC 48
LSU 17
This post was edited on 9/6/12 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 9/6/12 at 4:50 pm to Zamoro10
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AP Pre-Bowl:
USC 42
LSU 21
AP Post-Bowl:
USC 48
LSU 17
This is a joke. They were thinking USC beat a better team in Michigan than LSU beat in Oklahoma????????? USC had to use trick plays to beat an avg Mich team.
Posted on 9/6/12 at 4:50 pm to Paul Allen
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I think they'll be hoisting the crystal ball in Miami.
You said the same thing about Bama. Which is it?
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