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re: I'm really not sold on USC at all
Posted on 9/7/12 at 11:20 am to VABuckeye
Posted on 9/7/12 at 11:20 am to VABuckeye
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How many teams not named Alabama and Notre Dame have an equal amount of historical success as USC?
Michigan
Ohio State
Oklahoma
Texas
Nebraska
are the 8 historical powerhouses. The only one that can really claim to separate themselves is Notre Dame.
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Posted on 9/7/12 at 11:26 am to benhamin5555
quote:Then how did lau go from losing games by 18, 24, and 31 points one season to winning it all the next?
I'm sorry but you don't go from being blown out by Arizona State one year to being No. 1 in the country the next.
Posted on 9/7/12 at 1:01 pm to Cornholio
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Uh, that's because defense wins championships. Just think SEC. They have won a few.
No, it doesn't. That's an old adage that people say without thinking. It holds no truth. BCS Championship games are reasonably high scoring.
At best, I'll accept that it means, 'only a team with a good offense can get to a championship game. Since it's taken for granted that a team with a good offense gets there, the team with a good defense will have a well balanced, championship-level team.'
Still doesn't make defense more important than offense.
Posted on 9/7/12 at 1:04 pm to benhamin5555
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I would really like to know why people think they are so good
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media bias
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you don't go from being blown out by Arizona State one year to being No. 1 in the country the next
You do if you are USC. Home of the 3-pete. Dynasty!
Posted on 9/7/12 at 1:13 pm to TheSexecutioner
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BCS Championship games are reasonably high scoring.
the last time both teams scored 30+ points (which would be considered a "reasonably high scoring" game) was 2005 with Texas over USC. Heck, since 2006, only 3 teams out of the 12 teams playing in the BCS Championship Game scored more than 24 points.
Posted on 9/7/12 at 1:17 pm to TheSexecutioner
quote:In college football, I will argue that it does. Not in today's NFL, though.
Still doesn't make defense more important than offense.
Name some national champions that did not have an elite defense. I can't even think back that far... There is one recent exception (Auburn 2010... which was suspect against the pass but was elite at stopping the run).
And of the teams that have won the BCS national championship, many of them did not have elite offenses.
Teams with elite defenses and middle of the pack offenses have a better shot at a championship than elite offenses with a middle of the pack defense. History backs this up.
You said that championship games have been high scoring... with the exception of maybe one outlier (Texas-USC 2005), I would argue that only the winning team scores a lot.
This post was edited on 9/7/12 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 9/7/12 at 1:23 pm to Wideman
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Name some national champions that did not have an elite defense. I can't even think back that far... There is one recent exception
07 LSU
Posted on 9/7/12 at 1:37 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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07 LSU
That defense certainly waned during the last part of the season due to injuries but make no mistake, it was still elite talent wise, as you can see by the performance in the NC game.
Posted on 9/7/12 at 1:38 pm to VerlanderBEAST
quote:not as good as some other LSU defenses (2003, 2006, 2011), but was still ranked No. 3 in the country by holding teams to an avg. of 283 total yards per game. That would be considered elite.
07 LSU
Elite Defenses, 2007
This post was edited on 9/7/12 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 9/7/12 at 1:41 pm to Wideman
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not as good as some other LSU defenses (2003, 2006, 2011), but still held teams to an avg. of around 280 total yards per game. That would be considered elite.
ranked 3rd in the country in yards/game. But, I wouldn't consider the 2007 defense elite. They got carved up by Kentucky. They also had the best LSU offense in the last 12-15 years to relieve some pressure.
This post was edited on 9/7/12 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 9/7/12 at 1:44 pm to hashtag
quote:if you want to argue that a top 3 defense in a particular season wasn't an elite defense, go ahead. But I'm going to argue otherwise.
ranked 3rd in the country in yards/game.
LSU had a couple of games where it gave up too many yards and points, including two triple overtime games. But overall, it was elite... and the stats point that out.
Posted on 9/7/12 at 1:51 pm to hashtag
Didn't Arkansas score 50 points on LSU in 07? Sorry but if you give up 50 points you do not have an elite, not even close.
This post was edited on 9/7/12 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 9/7/12 at 1:53 pm to VerlanderBEAST
quote:with the assistance of three additional periods and getting the ball at the 25-yard line for each one... Yes.
Didn't Arkansas score 50 points on LSU in 07?
Just think of how much higher ranked the LSU defense would have been without that game with an injury-ridden defense.
Posted on 9/7/12 at 2:00 pm to Wideman
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with the assistance of three additional periods and getting the ball at the 25-yard line for each one... Yes.
The fact that they scored 3 touchdowns in a row from the 25 doesn't help you're argument.
Also did a little research LSU played 8 teams ranked 75th or lower in total offense in 07. Yeah I think we can definitively say LSU had no where near an elite defense, I am not sure I would even say LSU had a very good defense that year.
Posted on 9/7/12 at 2:04 pm to VerlanderBEAST
quote:obviously you didn't do too much research. Elite is a comparative term. Compared to the rest of college football teams that year, LSU's defense ranked third. A few injuries (including to the defensive player who won every defensive award, Glenn Dorsey) caused the defense to play a little worse in November.
Also did a little research LSU played 8 teams ranked 75th or lower in total offense in 07. Yeah I think we can definitively say LSU had no where near an elite defense, I am not sure I would even say LSU had a very good defense that year.
If No. 3 isn't elite to you, then kudos for being your own person.
Posted on 9/7/12 at 2:11 pm to Wideman
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If No. 3 isn't elite to you, then kudos for being your own person.
That was an all around very weird year LSU ranking #3 is a total facade. I think there are probable 30 other teams who could of been #3 playing LSU's schedule of 8 teams ranked in the bottom 55 offensively
This post was edited on 9/7/12 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 9/7/12 at 2:13 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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#3 is a fasade I think there are probable 30 other teams who could of been #3 playing LSU's schedule of 8 teams ranked in the bottom 55 offensively
I won't argue this point. If LSU had played more teams that ranked in the top 30 in offense, I then would consider them a very good D NOT elite but very good.
Posted on 9/7/12 at 2:17 pm to dukke v
LSU played 3 teams in the top 30 offensively that year(#14 Florida #17 Arkanasas #24 Kentucky) and gave up 117 points. The more I look at it LSU's defense was barely even good that year.
This post was edited on 9/7/12 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 9/7/12 at 2:59 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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The more I look at it LSU's defense was barely even good that year.
Good enough when it counted most though.
And YES I think they backed into the NC game and just were THAT much better than OSU.
Posted on 9/7/12 at 8:27 pm to benhamin5555
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I don't see USC being able to handle a dominant D-line. Maybe last year with Matt Kalil up front.
With the latest development, I suppose you could say the same now for LSU?
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