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I don’t understand Young being a better NFL prospect than Stroud.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:38 am
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:38 am
Make it make sense.
Young is a wiry 5’11”, maybe 6’, and yes, he’s elusive, but it’s the NFL. He won’t last long with his frame if scrambling around, extending plays is his MO.
Stroud is 6’3”, 220 lbs, and is a prototypical pocket passer. Dude can make all the throws, sees the field well, and showed his mettle by nearly willing OSU to a victory against UGA (one of, if not the best, CFB teams of all time) last weekend.
The knock I keep reading on Stroud is that his numbers are what they are because he’s spent his career throwing to NFL-caliber WRs, but that’s a silly criticism. Any QB will play better with NFL-calibre WRs and play worse without them. Just like Bryce Young this year compared to last.
What exactly makes Young the better NFL prospect?
Don’t even get me started on Will Levis or Anthony Richardson. Maybe NFL draft analysts are just idiots, and making sense of their QB projections is a fool’s errand.
Young is a wiry 5’11”, maybe 6’, and yes, he’s elusive, but it’s the NFL. He won’t last long with his frame if scrambling around, extending plays is his MO.
Stroud is 6’3”, 220 lbs, and is a prototypical pocket passer. Dude can make all the throws, sees the field well, and showed his mettle by nearly willing OSU to a victory against UGA (one of, if not the best, CFB teams of all time) last weekend.
The knock I keep reading on Stroud is that his numbers are what they are because he’s spent his career throwing to NFL-caliber WRs, but that’s a silly criticism. Any QB will play better with NFL-calibre WRs and play worse without them. Just like Bryce Young this year compared to last.
What exactly makes Young the better NFL prospect?
Don’t even get me started on Will Levis or Anthony Richardson. Maybe NFL draft analysts are just idiots, and making sense of their QB projections is a fool’s errand.
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:39 am to sorantable
Agree with all of this except this BS about UGA being potentially the best team ever.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:41 am to sorantable
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What exactly makes Young the better NFL prospect?
He didn't play at THE Ohio State.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:42 am to sorantable
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one of, if not the best, CFB teams of all time
Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:42 am to sorantable
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UGA (one of, if not the best, CFB teams of all time)
Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:42 am to sorantable
Ok. The best receiver that Young ever threw to in college couldnt sniff the field at Ohio State. Not even saying that hypothetically, Jameson Williams literally transferred to Bama so he could play
Young shredded a better UGA defense with worse weapons
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Dude can make all the throws, sees the field well, and showed his mettle by nearly willing OSU to a victory against UGA (one of, if not the best, CFB teams of all time) last weekend.
Young shredded a better UGA defense with worse weapons
This post was edited on 1/11/23 at 11:44 am
Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:42 am to sorantable
Last year's UGA team was better than this one.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:44 am to sorantable
I would disagree that extending plays is Young's MO. He did a lot more of that this year because it was required of him.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:44 am to sorantable
quote:pump the breaks seabiscuit
(one of, if not the best, CFB teams of all time)
Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:45 am to sorantable
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Maybe NFL draft analysts are just idiots,
Yeah that’s it, people who do draft analysis for a living aren’t as smart as fan’s watching games on TV and making judgments based on one game
Young is very poised and accurate, I haven’t seen as much of Stroud there will be teams (including one rumored to trade up to #1) with GMs that do rate Young lower because of his size
Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:45 am to sorantable
Osu quarterbacks look good in their system. All osu QBs look like garbage in the nfl. Fact!
Bama QB's look half way decent in the nfl
Bama QB's look half way decent in the nfl
Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:48 am to Glorious
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Young shredded a better UGA defense with worse weapons
Williams is a stud, he was a first round pick even with a torn ACL, the guys he couldn’t get PT over were also first rounders and were not at tOSU last week when Stroud played UGA
Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:50 am to CatsGoneWild
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Osu quarterbacks look good in their system. All osu QBs look like garbage in the nfl. Fact!
Change OSU to Texas Tech and we heard the same shite about Mahomes. Such stupid lazy analysis but yes the Draft gurus are idiots
Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:50 am to CatsGoneWild
Justin Fields threw 41td/3int his soph yr at tOSU.
Now his betting o/u completions is 13 a game
Now his betting o/u completions is 13 a game
Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:50 am to sorantable
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Don’t even get me started on Will Levis or Anthony Richardson. Maybe NFL draft analysts are just idiots, and making sense of their QB projections is a fool’s errand.
It's funny to me that you call draft analysts idiots for liking Richardson and Levis but seem to agree with their logic. The analysts love Richardson and Levis because of their size, primarily.
Go back to your post and read the very first thing you talk about when describing why you like Stroud over Bryce.
This post was edited on 1/11/23 at 11:53 am
Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:51 am to H-Town Tiger
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Williams is a stud, he was a first round pick even with a torn ACL, the guys he couldn’t get PT over were also first rounders and were not at tOSU last week when Stroud played UGA
Sure but once Metchie got hurt in the 2nd quarter, Bama's receivers with Williams were Slade Bolden and Jacory Brooks. Slade was awful and I doubt Brooks even gets drafted
At the end of last season, I would have chopped off my pinky Egbuka
This post was edited on 1/11/23 at 11:53 am
Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:54 am to bad93ex
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He didn't play at THE Ohio State.
It has been mentioned already, but for some reason Ohio State QB's don't transition well to the NFL, maybe Stroud will break that trend. I was really impressed by his performance in the Peach Bowl.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:56 am to sorantable
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Maybe NFL draft analysts are just idiots, and making sense of their QB projections is a fool’s errand.
They look for things that the casual fan overlooks. College stats are generally ignored when evaluating top-tier prospects. So you can't really project from college stats, or guys like Josh Allen would never see the higher rounds of a draft.
Things like, how quickly they process information, did they read the defense correctly at the line, did they call the proper blocking assignment, did they make they right read for the throw, how quickly do they get through a progression, what's their accuracy like on off-platform throws, etc. I get this from an ex high school teammate who was a Steelers scout and was a GM for the Bills (not a good GM, but still). Evaluations have very, very little to do with any statistical performance.
NFL scouts couldn't care less if they can hit a wide open receiver that's in a mismatch from a talent deficient defense. Those plays don't exist in the NFL.
I'd imagine that they are favoring Bryce is because he's running an NFL system and has shown great command and control without the need for support. He has full control of the offense including calling plays unscripted. Stroud runs in a "check with the coach" then run the play scenario, just like Fields did. Honestly, Fields performance so far, coming from the same system, is probably hurting Stroud in the draft.
This post was edited on 1/11/23 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 1/11/23 at 12:04 pm to sorantable
The evaluation of Stroud is going to change after the Georgia game. He had never really shown that kind of ability to throw accurately on the run before.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 12:07 pm to VADawg
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The evaluation of Stroud is going to change after the Georgia game. He had never really shown that kind of ability to throw accurately on the run before.
He had if you actually watched his games.
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