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re: How to fix the BCS system in a very simple way and solve all problems
Posted on 12/29/11 at 10:42 pm to DucksflyinPAC
Posted on 12/29/11 at 10:42 pm to DucksflyinPAC
So with your logic you're saying that a Big East Champion like West Virginia (at 9-3 with losses to LSU (13-0) by 26 points, Syracuse (5-7) by 26 points, and UofL (7-6) by 3) is more worthy than an Alabama team whose only loss this season was to #1 LSU by 3? Or 11-1 Stanford (loss to 11-2 conference champ Oregon 53-30)? Or even 11-1 Boise State?
And you call this a "fix" to the problem? I don't have to read all of your post because you lost me at "Only take Conference Champs from the 6 AQ Conferences.".
And you call this a "fix" to the problem? I don't have to read all of your post because you lost me at "Only take Conference Champs from the 6 AQ Conferences.".
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Posted on 12/29/11 at 10:52 pm to DucksflyinPAC
quote:I can't believe you're actually arguing that a team who hypothetically won their conference but lost every OOC game is more deserving than a team who didn't win their conference but lost to the #1 team in the country.
The fact that UO and LSU would of played already is inconsequential.
In your "system", why even play OOC games since they now are completely meaningless?
Your "system" has zero rational merit. Zero....
This post was edited on 12/29/11 at 10:54 pm
Posted on 12/29/11 at 10:52 pm to BluegrassBelle
quote:
BluegrassBelle
better than that...
had LSU lost to UGA in the SECCG, he thinks WVU would be more deserving over LSU.
dont think about that too hard or you will give yourself and aneurism.
this cat is a freakin clown.
Posted on 12/29/11 at 10:54 pm to jcole4lsu
quote:he already thinks WVU is more deserving than Bama.
had LSU lost to UGA in the SECCG, he thinks WVU would be more deserving over LSU.
Posted on 12/29/11 at 11:01 pm to GeauxTigersLee
quote:
he already thinks WVU is more deserving than Bama.
i know.
but lsu beat wvu so its that much worse to think wvu should get in ahead of lsu in that case
Posted on 12/29/11 at 11:13 pm to DucksflyinPAC
Pnalize teams that don't win there conference a nominal amount. Make it possible for another Bama get there but they have to be way ahead of everyone else.
BCS is the best at getting it right except for this year and 2003 when teams that didn't win their conference got in the game.
BCS is the best at getting it right except for this year and 2003 when teams that didn't win their conference got in the game.
Posted on 12/30/11 at 10:23 am to The Easter Bunny
Its simple
-12 team playoff.
-all conference champions
-seed by win% + SOS
-top 4 seeds get a bye
-make BYU ND Army and Navy play each other
-first 2 rounds played at higher seeds homefield. -the rest are played in BCS bowls
Basic shite
-12 team playoff.
-all conference champions
-seed by win% + SOS
-top 4 seeds get a bye
-make BYU ND Army and Navy play each other
-first 2 rounds played at higher seeds homefield. -the rest are played in BCS bowls
Basic shite
Posted on 12/30/11 at 11:03 am to VerlanderBEAST
army and navy?
too much herp derp in this thread for me
too much herp derp in this thread for me
Posted on 3/14/12 at 7:42 pm to jcole4lsu
It looks like we are inching close to my OP and desires. And the biggest road-block to ideas like these were my own PAC-12 leadership and also Big-Ten people. The walls are falling now however. Look for a playoff soon and they will set rules such as only Conference Champs can be in playoff. (meaning no 2 SEC teams in it...)
Posted on 3/14/12 at 8:01 pm to DucksflyinPAC
quote:Dey be's 11 conferences.
1)Create a mini playoff between the Conference Champs of each Conference involving no less and no more then 8 teams.
Posted on 3/14/12 at 8:02 pm to jcole4lsu
quote:
had LSU lost to UGA in the SECCG, he thinks WVU would be more deserving over LSU.
I love how people like to use hypos to discredit something. If this happened...
Howevah, If LSU had lost to UGA, the top 4 conference winners would have been: OSU, Oregon, Wisconsin and probably UGA. UGA finished 16 after losing to LSU, the week before they were 14. If you look back at the BCS era, that would have been a fluke year. Most years the top 4 conference winners were all in the top 5-6. No team with more than 2 loses would have ever made the playoff using only the top 4 conference winners.
Posted on 3/14/12 at 8:25 pm to H-Town Tiger
ya, but that is why I personally think they should have a playoff with all the Conference Champs, and not just 4 teams. 4 teams is too little. 16 teams for CFB is way too much, imo. Why don't every Conference, send us your single best team(drop Conference title games- keep them, Round Robin, you decide who your best is) and just play them the freak off! It could not be more simple...
Posted on 3/14/12 at 8:45 pm to DucksflyinPAC
What you are suggesting will eliminate ooc games. There is no reason for people to play ooc games if they have no post season implications
Posted on 3/14/12 at 9:19 pm to hiltacular
quote:
What you are suggesting will eliminate ooc games. There is no reason for people to play ooc games if they have no post season implications
Actually, I was thinking just the opposite. For many, many teams, they do not schedule hard OOC games because if they lose one, that hurts their chance at getting in the current BCS Title game. However if all Conference Champs got in Auto, then it would be a tidal wave of all these teams scheduling hard OOC games. Think about it. It is all about money right? Then why would a school, like the Bama's of the world want to continue to play all their same rent-a-wins? You realize that they have to pay those schools like 1 million or such just to go there and get beat right? Well, all of a sudden you see Bama wanting USC, tOSU, Texas, ect as they would not care if they lost any of those games and want the more money. Teams will get brave all of a sudden. IMO...
This post was edited on 3/14/12 at 9:22 pm
Posted on 3/14/12 at 9:30 pm to DucksflyinPAC
quote:
Actually, I was thinking just the opposite. For many, many teams, they do not schedule hard OOC games because if they lose one, that hurts their chance at getting in the current BCS Title game. However if all Conference Champs got in Auto, then it would be a tidal wave of all these teams scheduling hard OOC games. Think about it. It is all about money right? Then why would a school, like the Bama's of the world want to continue to play all their same rent-a-wins? You realize that they have to pay those schools like 1 million or such just to go there and get beat right? Well, all of a sudden you see Bama wanting USC, tOSU, Texas, ect as they would not care if they lost any of those games and want the more money. Teams will get brave all of a sudden. IMO...
What you havent taken into consideration is that a game between bama and USC, tOSU, or Texas in your system during the regular season no longer means ANYTHING. Thus the money that you would get from a game like this currently no longer applies in your system. No one is going to care about the outcome from that game bc it has no implication towards anything.
I would even go as far as saying that players wont show up for games like this. Why would you put in a weeks worth of strategy/practice into playing an ooc game when it means nothing?? In your system, teams would schedule cupcakes that they dont need to put any extra time into preparing for and dedicate all there time to conference games.
The money that teams make from playing good ooc teams no longer apples in a system like yours
Posted on 3/14/12 at 9:33 pm to hiltacular
I always hated the system for a 1 vs. 2,but could've trusted it for a simple final four.
1 vs. 4, 2 vs.3, then all the marbles two weeks later.
I hear the folks that want the eight team thing,and I could deal with that,but the debate over whos #8 vs. whos #4 would be pretty crazy.
A final four also doesn't diminish the importance of the regular season and would I think ehnance it for teams with one loss.
1 vs. 4, 2 vs.3, then all the marbles two weeks later.
I hear the folks that want the eight team thing,and I could deal with that,but the debate over whos #8 vs. whos #4 would be pretty crazy.
A final four also doesn't diminish the importance of the regular season and would I think ehnance it for teams with one loss.
This post was edited on 3/14/12 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 3/14/12 at 9:44 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:
Howevah, If LSU had lost to UGA, the top 4 conference winners would have been: OSU, Oregon, Wisconsin and probably UGA. UGA finished 16 after losing to LSU, the week before they were 14. If you look back at the BCS era, that would have been a fluke year. Most years the top 4 conference winners were all in the top 5-6. No team with more than 2 loses would have ever made the playoff using only the top 4 conference winners.
Imo that scenario is worse than why scenario the bcs has ever given us.
The top 2 teams in every poll don't play for a title in a 4 team playoff? Ewww
Posted on 3/14/12 at 9:45 pm to DucksflyinPAC
The BCS Bowls will never, ever be a playoff game. If a playoff were to happen, the only plausible way is to do the games in the weekend or 2 following conference championship weekend depending on how many teams you have (either 4 or 8...any more is a pipe dream).
You let those games play out, then BCS games are selected as normal with the BCSCG being the two who won their playoff games. That is the only way it's ever going to work short of completely getting rid of the BCS system which won't happen due to the money made from the bowls.
You let those games play out, then BCS games are selected as normal with the BCSCG being the two who won their playoff games. That is the only way it's ever going to work short of completely getting rid of the BCS system which won't happen due to the money made from the bowls.
Posted on 3/14/12 at 9:47 pm to DucksflyinPAC
Conference affiliation is not to be considered. Not every team is in a conference, and not every game is a conference game. Being a conference champion and losing your four OOC's should not qualify a team for a playoff.
Playoff games at bowl sites is not a feasible idea. It just isn't; it never will be.
Not a good plan. You just don't take into account the realities and inevitabilities involved.
The best way to do it: a single, simple, transparent computer system gives us the top however many teams we need. Let's say 8. 8@1, 7@2, 6@3, 5@4. Home sites. Semifinals, also home sites. Title game at a neutral site.
And I didn't read the whole post. It wasn't worth reading. Two paragraphs in, there were just too many holes for further reading to be warranted.
Playoff games at bowl sites is not a feasible idea. It just isn't; it never will be.
Not a good plan. You just don't take into account the realities and inevitabilities involved.
The best way to do it: a single, simple, transparent computer system gives us the top however many teams we need. Let's say 8. 8@1, 7@2, 6@3, 5@4. Home sites. Semifinals, also home sites. Title game at a neutral site.
And I didn't read the whole post. It wasn't worth reading. Two paragraphs in, there were just too many holes for further reading to be warranted.
Posted on 3/14/12 at 9:49 pm to hiltacular
quote:
hiltacular
You bring up some really good points I had not considered. However, under my system, the OOC games would not mean nothing, in total, maybe, as National Rankings/seeding for tournament down the road, and pride, and ya Money. For would Bama fill up by just playing Georgia St like they did a year or two ago(first time program and a D-2 program)? Or would Bama fans much rather watch USC play them: Just for pride, honor, record, National History, Rivalries? Dude, I don't think anyone would lay down on anyone elts OOC. But what if under the current system Bama played USC and one loss, but in truth those were the two best teams and one was knocked out of the BCS as a result? IDK, nothing is prefect I guess. But at least anything or any kind of playoff is better then the crappy BCS system we have now!
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