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re: How long will it take before Mahomes is considered the best ever?
Posted on 2/13/23 at 2:10 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 2/13/23 at 2:10 pm to lsupride87
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I compare how you look against your peers.
And Brady has always been at #1, at worst #2, compared to his peers until the last few years. Depending who you asked, he or Peyton was the best QB in the NFL for 15 years, and then it was all Brady until probably his last year in NE. Then he finishes 2nd in MVP voting a year ago at 44 years old. I don't even like the guy, but it's amazing how many people are being prisoners of the moment right now and trying to denigrate what Brady did over the span of 23 years
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 2:11 pm to lsufball19
quote:That isn’t true at all
And Brady has always been at #1, at worst #2, compared to his peers until the last few years
Brady was never a statistical GOAT in terms of comparison to peers. He was a team accomplishment goat
Mahomes is marrying the two. A Wayne Gretzky/michael Jordan type
This post was edited on 2/13/23 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 2/13/23 at 2:13 pm to lsufball19
quote:That said..
The game is much different now than it was when Brady was a 2nd year player. Brady led the league in TDs in his third year with 28. 28 TDs would have been good enough for 7th in the NFL this year. In his 5th year starting, where Mahomes is right now, Brady was 3rd in MVP voting with 4110 yards and 26 TDs. He basically had a season marginally worse than Kirk Cousins had this season. Comparing raw passing numbers from now to 20 years ago is a fools errand if you're actually trying to compare two players.
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Mahomes, at the same point in their careers, is WAY more advanced, important to team success, and better than Brady.
This post was edited on 2/13/23 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 2/13/23 at 2:14 pm to lsupride87
His chances are better if they will keep him and Kelce together. Like Brady and Gronk, having a quality go to guy is huge.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 2:14 pm to lsupride87
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And I am factually correct. Mahomes pace is far ahead of Brady. It isn’t even close actually
Which is why I asked you if he can maintain a 5000 yard 35 TD average for the next 13 years. You still haven't answered that. Playing at that level for that long is what separates the GOATs in sports from guys who were simply elite. So in a frame of time which represents less than a quarter of Brady's career, Mahomes has better average numbers than Brady? Cool
Once upon a time Ken Griffey Jr was on pace to shatter Hank Aaron's home run record too.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 2:17 pm to ReauxlTide222
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Mahomes, at the same point in their careers, is WAY more advanced, important to team success, and better than Brady.
but is he? Or is it a more passer friendly league now which ALL QBs are benefitting greatly from? And more important to his team? You can't be serious. KC was winning 12 games a year with Alex Smith. New England was dreadful before Brady took over and have been average to bad since he left. Same thing with the Bucs.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 2:17 pm to Clark14
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His chances are better if they will keep him and Kelce together. Like Brady and Gronk, having a quality go to guy is huge.
Travis Kelce and Rob Gronkowski are the same age. Kelce won't be putting up the type of numbers he has the past 5 years a whole lot longer.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 2:17 pm to lsufball19
Yes, he absolutely can and would be shocked if he didn’t. There is absolutely nothing that has been shown that will slow down Mahomes. Not even a high ankle sprain and facing one of the best d line ever could
Posted on 2/13/23 at 2:20 pm to lsupride87
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and facing one of the best d line ever c
Let's pump the brakes here. I hate how current society has to label every single thing as the best ever or worst ever.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 2:20 pm to lsupride87
He already walks like Ace Ventura Pet Detective, so he’s well on his was to Goat status.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 2:20 pm to lsupride87
Mahommes, just by the nature of the way he plays, get's hit a lot more than Brady ever did even with all the rules to protect QBs. There's a ton of factors that will play into his ability to maintain his current pace over time.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 2:22 pm to lsupride87
quote:Sure it is
That isn’t true at all
quote:
Brady was never a statistical GOAT in terms of comparison to peers.
Why are you moving the goal posts now?
quote:He's led the league in TDs twice and yards once
Mahomes is marrying the two.
Brady led the league in TDs 5 times and yards 4 times.
Mahomes has never the the league in passer rating. Brady did that twice.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 2:22 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:3rd most sacks ever as a team
Let's pump the brakes here
Multiple guys over 10 sacks
I mean that d line is certainly one of the best ever
This post was edited on 2/13/23 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 2/13/23 at 2:24 pm to lsupride87
According to the media? It'll be next year. He checks all the boxes for the NFL golden boy.
But he sure gets away with some ridiculous looking tosses sometimes.
But he sure gets away with some ridiculous looking tosses sometimes.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 2:24 pm to lsupride87
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3rd most sacks ever as a team
Extra game. Garbage division that also got to play some "easy" teams due to QB injuries, etc. Their schedule for the last half the year frankly was a joke.
This post was edited on 2/13/23 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 2/13/23 at 2:25 pm to lsupride87
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Yes, he absolutely can and would be shocked if he didn’t.
He hasn't even averaged that over the last 5 years in yards and is a shade over that in TDs, and now he's supposed to basically keep his same current pace of TDs and average more yards than he has the last 5 years over the next 13 years? And you'd be shocked if he doesn't? Seriously?
Maybe you haven't noticed, but Tom Brady is kind of a unicorn being able to play for a high level until his mid 40s. I'd be more shocked if Mahomes even plays 13 more years.
This post was edited on 2/13/23 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 2/13/23 at 2:25 pm to lsufball19
quote:Brady finished outside the top 5 in yards 4 of his first 5 seasons starting
Sure it is
Mahomes 1 of his first 5 seasons (missed multiple games due to injury )
They aren’t comparable
This post was edited on 2/13/23 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 2/13/23 at 2:27 pm to lsupride87
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Brady finished outside the top 5 in yards 4 of his first 5 seasons
Mahomes 0 of his first 5 seasons
You need to stay focused. Your "that it isn't true" was directed at me saying Brady was "compared to his peers" as the #1, at worst #2, QB for 15 years. You really need to stop moving the goalposts or actually pay attention to what you're responding to or both.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 2:28 pm to lsufball19
Brady was often 4th compared to his peers throughout his career
Without the titles, nobody has Brady over manning or Rodgers. Nobody. Most wouldn’t have him over Bree’s without titles either
Without titles, Mahomes would still be considered the best QB currently
Without the titles, nobody has Brady over manning or Rodgers. Nobody. Most wouldn’t have him over Bree’s without titles either
Without titles, Mahomes would still be considered the best QB currently
This post was edited on 2/13/23 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 2/13/23 at 2:29 pm to lsufball19
quote:Of course
but is he?
quote:Irrelevant
Or is it a more passer friendly league now which ALL QBs are benefitting greatly from?
Do all QBs make all-pro? Mahomes has 2 and 2 SB MVPs. Brady had zero all-pros and his SB MVP in the stretch we’re discussing was an absolute joke. NE won SBs because of defense. KC wins SBs because of Mahomes.
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