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re: How long will it take before Mahomes is considered the best ever?
Posted on 2/14/23 at 2:31 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 2/14/23 at 2:31 pm to lsupride87
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His first 5 years as a starter are unicorn both in production and accomplishments
Are we ruling out the possibility of him being a unicorn?
I mean, he does prance off the field when he goes to the sidelines
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Posted on 2/14/23 at 2:34 pm to wheelz007
quote:You want to see something Brady isn’t near? Mahomes actual Qb play
Mahomes, is nowhere near these numbers.
Mahomes
66%—303 yards/g—2.4 tds/g—0.6 int/g—105.2 rating
Brady
64%—266 yards/g—1.94 tds/g—0.6 int/g—97.2 rating
Posted on 2/14/23 at 2:37 pm to VADawg
quote:
I personally don't think Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson is better than Dan Marino, but to each his own.
You don't have to win as many as the best to be considered the best, but you certainly have to win some.
You're basically saying that even if Mahomes never won a Super Bowl you would have him as the best ever.
quote:
He does more things at a higher level than anyone else I've ever seen
You said he's the GOAT now
Posted on 2/14/23 at 2:43 pm to castorinho
quote:This is a fair point.
My only reservation is that, at one point Rodgers was "obviously" going to be the GOAT but the team aspect of the game kind of fricked that up.
Rodgers didn't have the 3 SBs/2 wins but he was every bit as good as Mahomes his 1st 5 years starting and Rodgers still to this date has kinda by far and away the highest 5 year level of sustained play at the QB position, even better than Mahomes 1st 5 seasons.
And since then he's been hit or miss between uber elite and just good to really good.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 2:44 pm to castorinho
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My only reservation is that, at one point Rodgers was "obviously" going to be the GOAT but the team aspect of the game kind of fricked that up.
In year 6, Rodgers didn't have nearly the accomplishments and Mahomes has already gone to 5-straight conference title games. Their trajectory is on different levels.
I do like the question of whether or not Mahomes is a HOF already. I think he is. Like if we assume he has an Alex Smith injury and takes a step back for the rest of his career, he'll still have enough to be in the HOF.
Brady has the team accomplishments of Mahomes early without the elite individual play. The combination of both is what makes Mahomes so special. Like when it was Brady v. Manning, it was "stats v. winning" and Mahomes qualifies in both categories.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 2:48 pm to Buckeye06
quote:Yea, we're definitely forgetting 2009-2013 Rodgers.
You said he's the GOAT now
Heck, I may have even forgot about that span and said Mahomes has played better than any QB ever through these 5 years. but if I did, that was incorrect as it's 2nd to Rodgers.
Now we'll see what happens, the next 6 seasons Rodgers play dipped to an exact 100.0 passer rating, so we'll see if Mahomes can keep playing at this level whereas Rodgers dipped a tad.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 2:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Team accomplishments...at year 6 starting, Rodgers was every bit as good, if not better than Mahomes.
In year 6, Rodgers didn't have nearly the accomplishments and Mahomes has already gone to 5-straight conference title games. Their trajectory is on different levels.
quote:He has to be even if he never played again. 2 regular season MVPs and 2 SB MVPs, that's all he needs to be a 1st ballot HOFer. Only Brady and Montana have also done that.
I do like the question of whether or not Mahomes is a HOF already.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 3:04 pm to Buckeye06
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You're basically saying that even if Mahomes never won a Super Bowl you would have him as the best ever.
I'm not a "RINGZZZZZZZ" person. I think judging individual players on team accomplishments is lazy.
Tom Brady is the most accomplished QB ever with the best career ever. Best career =/= best player.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 3:11 pm to lsupride87
Andy Reid isn't coaching forever and when he retires, it will get much harder for them to win.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 3:20 pm to lsupride87
He's already the best, but not yet the greatest
No one has ever played QB as well as he does. But he has a long way to go to be the GOAT
No one has ever played QB as well as he does. But he has a long way to go to be the GOAT
Posted on 2/14/23 at 3:39 pm to VADawg
So you're saying that he's the GOAT today.
I'm saying you need to win some rings and also be really good to be in the conversation.
There is a reason why Dan Marino isn't in people's top 3 even if his stats in his era say otherwise. You have to win some titles to be the best ever. He has won 2. I think he needs to win 2-3 more to enter the realm and play at a high level for another 12 years plus
I'm saying you need to win some rings and also be really good to be in the conversation.
There is a reason why Dan Marino isn't in people's top 3 even if his stats in his era say otherwise. You have to win some titles to be the best ever. He has won 2. I think he needs to win 2-3 more to enter the realm and play at a high level for another 12 years plus
Posted on 2/14/23 at 3:41 pm to Rand AlThor
quote:Rodgers 2009-2014 played it better than Mahomes.
No one has ever played QB as well as he does
Rodgers 2009-2014:
TD% - 6.8%
INT% - 1.5%
YPA - 8.4
Passer Rating - 109.0
Mahomes 2018-2022:
TD% - 6.5%
INT% - 1.6%
YPA - 8.1
Passer Rating - 106.0
This post was edited on 2/14/23 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 2/14/23 at 5:08 pm to lsupride87
quote:I may have found the answer. Looks like LE's graphic was EPA per offensive play. Here's a graphic of EPA per pass attempt. You can see Ryan very high
Ok seriously explain how Brady 2003 is 4th on this list and Matt Ryan doesn’t even make it
66%—354 yards—7.3 YPA—3 tds—1 int—100 rating
LINK
Posted on 2/14/23 at 5:18 pm to lsupride87
Mahommes shouldn't have been in the super bowl this year, much less win it.
Thanks refs!!
Thanks refs!!
Posted on 2/14/23 at 7:01 pm to shel311
Interesting EPA pass graph here
That Patrick fellow sure stands out. And a certain name seems missing. Hmmmmm
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and here are the NFL QBs with a 60%+ passing success rate in playoff games since 2013 (for QBs with 20+ pass attempts).
That Patrick fellow sure stands out. And a certain name seems missing. Hmmmmm
This post was edited on 2/14/23 at 7:02 pm
Posted on 2/14/23 at 7:34 pm to Buckeye06
quote:
Wins Super Bowls.
You know this is absurd, right?
Posted on 2/14/23 at 8:01 pm to RLDSC FAN
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Depends on the number of rings he gets. Our media and fans(most of them) are obsessed with the rings argument. It's sad but true
I agree to some degree. Using Brady as an example, he also has the individual accolades to back up his case. It’s not like he’s Drew Brees with 0 MVPs and a single 1st Team all pro.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 8:14 pm to RLDSC FAN
KC prioritized OL over WR
CIN could’ve had Sewell instead they picked a WR.
CIN could’ve had Sewell instead they picked a WR.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 10:49 pm to theducks
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I agree to some degree. Using Brady as an example, he also has the individual accolades to back up his case. It’s not like he’s Drew Brees with 0 MVPs and a single 1st Team all pro.
You've gotta love the irony in Peyton fanboys acting like the defense carried Brady when their boy threw more INTs than TDs in his SB appearances.
And now Captain Spreadsheet wants to use yards after years of saying that only scoring matters.
This post was edited on 2/14/23 at 10:56 pm
Posted on 2/15/23 at 7:10 am to lsupride87
he should at least tie Montana.
Otto Graham is slightly ahead.
1. tom brady
2. joe Montana
3. otto graham
4. mahomes
mahomes is the most fun by a mile. hes #1 in entertainment.
Otto Graham is slightly ahead.
1. tom brady
2. joe Montana
3. otto graham
4. mahomes
mahomes is the most fun by a mile. hes #1 in entertainment.
This post was edited on 2/15/23 at 7:17 am
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