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re: How is Lebron at 38 still able to outperform MJ at 34.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 12:38 pm to Pelicanus
Posted on 2/8/23 at 12:38 pm to Pelicanus
And the reverse is never talked about, could you imagine what KD or Giannis or Lebron could do defensively in the 80s when you were allowed to hand check?! KD hand checking on defense is terrifying haha
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Posted on 2/8/23 at 12:42 pm to Colonel Flagg
"Feast on the defenses of old"? Funny, no one, of either era has said that. Barkley put it this way: "with the middle, the paint being so wide open I'd score 40-50 points a game".Do you honestly believe that the old Bruise Brothers, those Pistons, would let any one drive the lane & get an easy lay up ? Ever seen those videos of Kevin McHale leveling someone in the lane? Bob McAdoo's style of defense? As opposed to today's Matador defense? Get real.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 12:44 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Hey guys this one team was full of thugs and and the refs let them hammer people relentlessly for a couple years. So they were a fair representation of the average nba team for 15-20 years
I'm not saying the Piston's were a fair representation of the average NBA team. But the league was more physical overall at that time...even if the Pistons were considered to be the most physical. But specific to Jordan slowing down in his early/mid 30's relative to Lebron, it's not a secret Detroit's MO in defending Jordan was simply to beat him up. With the league already being physical, and the most physical team purposely trying to hurt you, that takes a toll players of this era probably didn't have to deal with.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 1:06 pm to Corinthians420
Jordan had to play the pistons defense, knicks defense, Lakers defense, Celtics defense, and many others that put you down hard.
Lebron would have had success also against those defenses but his body would be beat up a lot more than it is now playing todays defenses
Lebron would have had success also against those defenses but his body would be beat up a lot more than it is now playing todays defenses
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Posted on 2/8/23 at 1:27 pm to Corinthians420
Defense
Posted on 2/8/23 at 1:29 pm to Corinthians420
Let's see Jame's numbers if he had to go up against Joe Dumars
Posted on 2/8/23 at 1:42 pm to double d
Not to mention it's way less physical, which is connected to lack of defense.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 1:46 pm to Zendog
quote:this is bait
Let's see Jame's numbers if he had to go up against Joe Dumars
Posted on 2/8/23 at 2:01 pm to Corinthians420
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That is despite 2022 nba players being much better shooters
Maybe from 3, but there’s more dunks now too
Posted on 2/8/23 at 3:17 pm to Corinthians420
George Karl: NBA has steroid issue
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I’m talking about performance-enhancing drugs—like steroids, human growth hormone, and so on. It’s obvious some of our players are doping. How are some guys getting older—yet fitter? How are they recovering from injuries so fast? Why the hell are they going to Germany in the off-season? I doubt it’s for the sauerkraut.
More likely it’s for the newest, hard-to-detect blood boosters and PEDs they have in Europe. Unfortunately, drug testing always seems to be a couple steps behind drug hiding. Lance Armstrong never failed a drug test. I think we want the best athletes to succeed, not the biggest, richest cheaters employing the best scientists. But I don’t know what to do about it.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 4:30 pm to Corinthians420
You seem to forget to mention that LeBitch sits out games to "rest up". Where as Jordan was out there almost every night getting the crap beat out of him by defenses.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 4:48 pm to Corinthians420
Damn near any Bulls team that MJ played for would have eaten the souls of any team LeBron was on. Even the Doug Collins teams.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 5:37 pm to ZenFNmaster
"Punching someone not a foul"? The point is if today's player, back then as well, if he gets punched once, twice in the first quarter, he won't be driving in for a lay up in the rest of the game. What's also missing the point is any era's superstar would excel in either era. Superstars are superstars. It's the rest of the rosters who would not be having 50 point games. Today, 50 points in a game is no big deal anymore.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 6:16 pm to Corinthians420
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2022 teams made 40.6 shots on 88 attempts per game.
a good chunk of that is 3 pt line. its not better defense. its shot selection.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 6:31 pm to Corinthians420
It’s pretty simple. Who was the better offensive player? Jordan. Who was the better defensive player? Jordan by a wider margin. Who was a better leader/more clutch? Jordan by even more. There is no legitimate argument for Lebron only people with recency bias who want to have witnessed history
Posted on 2/8/23 at 6:39 pm to Corinthians420
Maybe because of the increase in 3s taken a game. A decrease in overall FG% but a bump in efficiency due to the extra points being scored per possession?
Posted on 2/8/23 at 6:41 pm to Corinthians420
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Field goal percentages were higher throughout the 70s 80s n early 90s
Surely it has nothing to do with the 3 pointer taking over?
Posted on 2/8/23 at 6:58 pm to grizzlylongcut
People confuse pace and the 3point shot with better/worse offenses/defenses. It was literally never easier to make a FG (49.2% league average) in league history than Jordan’s rookie year. People think the 102.2 pts per 100 possessions in 1999 are some type of incredible defensive schemes, but I say the league just really sucked at shooting. Let’s isolate defense from the equation and just focus on the free throw, where no defense can be played - the stretch from 1993-94 season to 1998-99 saw the league average FT% plummet. Since the merger, league average has been 75.6%. That stretch ranged from 72.8%-74.0%, but to give you an idea of just how big that variation is, consider that the 74% number is roughly the 9th percentile since the merger, and the 72.8% is less than the 1st percentile. That’s atrocious.
The fundamentals were bad and the game was bad, and it’s just plain lazy to say it was good defense. Jordan’s dominant stretch through his first retirement was played in a game that was far more similar to 2023 than it was to 1998.
The fundamentals were bad and the game was bad, and it’s just plain lazy to say it was good defense. Jordan’s dominant stretch through his first retirement was played in a game that was far more similar to 2023 than it was to 1998.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 7:56 pm to Corinthians420
Jordan at 34 - 82 games
Lebron - 44 games
You’re dumb
Lebron - 44 games
You’re dumb
Posted on 2/8/23 at 8:09 pm to Corinthians420
If MJ could take 4 steps without dribbling they might’ve needed to add an extra comma to his scoring total
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