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re: How Good Was Barry Bonds?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:13 pm to Damathe
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:13 pm to Damathe
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Wrong on both counts, My Man. Are you trying to Troll?
please show me in the mlb rule book where it was against the rules
was it against the rules when the players post WWII clear until the 80s were popping speed in the dug out like they were skittles?
what about the pitchers putting all kinds of shite on the ball? WHy are they not singled out for cheating?
why is the record book only turned into shite over steroids but not everything else? why are the records from the 80s and early 90s pre strike ok, but not the ones post strike? Cause frick ton of players were using in the 80s and early 90s and it really started in the mid 70s.
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Not only did roids turn the Record Books into shite, the guys who suffered from the cheating the most were the fringe players in AAA that would have been in the Majors if guys of equal talent in their own organizations hadn't been taking the MLB jobs at the end of the bench because they were roiding up.
jesus you are naive....do you understand that almost every player in AAA & AA was on something.
it has been estimated that over 90% of pitchers were on something and that over 80% of position players were. not 100% but most were 100% on something and they would have to be stupid not to be.
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Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:34 pm to lsu777
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why is the record book only turned into shite over steroids but not everything else?
The record book lists the all-time home run champ as Barry Bonds. It's the Hall of Fame that got their panties in a twist. Steroids and gambling, the two big no-nos... unless you're Big Papi and everyone likes you.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:39 pm to lsu777
quote:I was privy to much of who was involved in what for a long time. You don't know your a-hole from deep center field.
jesus you are naive....do you understand that almost every player in AAA & AA was on something.
it has been estimated that over 90% of pitchers were on something and that over 80% of position players were. not 100% but most were 100% on something and they would have to be stupid not to be.
Idiots like you are why I don't post about baseball very often.
Find a different hill.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:51 pm to tucoco
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he would have broken the record without it,
not even close. Bonds hit 317 of his 762 home runs from the ages of 35-42. That's when he started juicing. At 34 years old and after his 14th season he had 445 home runs. He wasn't hitting 311 more home runs to break the record at 35 years old without steroids. He probably gets to around 600, which is still a hell of career.
Take a guy like Griffey, for instance. Entering his season at 35 years old, he had hit 501 career home runs. He hit 129 the rest of his career, retiring at age 40, because he aged and his physical ability declined like normal people who aren't using steroids. Bonds got better, by a lot, at that age. A roidless Bonds playing until he was 42 would have needed to average about 40 home runs a season from age 35 to 42 to break the record, and he had only hit 40 or more home runs in a season three times in his career before he started juicing. He only broke the record by 7 doing steroids FFS.
He was an all-time great, HOF player before he started juicing, but not he wasn't hitting 756 home runs without juicing.
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 9:55 pm
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:56 pm to LSU82BILL
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Have you ever seen Giancarlo Stanton? 8 of the 10 fastest exits speeds in 2021 were off his bat just like every year……without steroids
Posted on 5/25/22 at 3:25 pm to kciDAtaE
Ruth played at the Polo Grounds and old Yankee Stadium. RF was 258 and 314 respectively. Who had a better advantage?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 4:52 pm to littleavery1948
Before he juiced up he was hittng 30HR and stealing 30 bases a year.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 5:04 pm to lsufball19
His body changed in 2000, the MLB started testing and targeting him in 2003 so your “post juice” numbers are false, he only had a 2-3 year window in that capacity.
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 5:09 pm
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:09 pm to Madking
Although Barry is an all time great, I’m just here chiming in to state people in this thread think he would have broken the all time HR record without taking PEDs.
8 home runs. People on this board think PEDs didn’t help Barry hit 8 additional HRs.
8 home runs. People on this board think PEDs didn’t help Barry hit 8 additional HRs.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 3:33 pm to kciDAtaE
A lot of down vote and hating when posters mentioned Griffey Jr. Must have some jealous Bonds fan boys in here.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 7:27 pm to VermilionTiger
He couldn’t throw out Sid Bream (who had a leg injury at the time) from short left field as he scored from second on a base hit in the World Series.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 7:31 pm to cangrejo1951
That was not in the WS… it was the NL championship series.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 7:44 pm to dukke v
When I closely watched in the 90s I had Bonds as one of the best players at that time. But Griffey was a lil better to me.
Even Thomas as a hitter, but of course not an all around player
Even Thomas as a hitter, but of course not an all around player
Posted on 5/27/22 at 8:13 pm to littleavery1948
Cheater. Juiced. I don't care that others did as well, they are cheats as well. Everyone calling him the greatest is basing it on steroid performances. The fact that he put up his best numbers after age 35 tells you it's all bullshite. bullshite.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 8:17 pm to littleavery1948
he was a stud, and then got jealous and tarnished his career by juicing the frick out of his self.
he didnt need to juice to retire as an all timer, thats the shame of it
he didnt need to juice to retire as an all timer, thats the shame of it
Posted on 5/27/22 at 9:45 pm to littleavery1948
He was a cheater. Avg player at best without roids. Took the easy route and was busted.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:00 am to littleavery1948
How would Bonds stack up against Trout? 
Bonds was one of the best all around players ever before roids
He’d destroy the league if he played today - especially now that roids are better and way more nuanced (aka everyone is on some form of performance enhancement in the league)
Bonds was one of the best all around players ever before roids
He’d destroy the league if he played today - especially now that roids are better and way more nuanced (aka everyone is on some form of performance enhancement in the league)
Posted on 5/28/22 at 8:37 am to littleavery1948
Bonds was the greatest batter by a good margin of any MLB player ever after he bulked up. Too bad he couldn't throw out the speedy Sid Bream.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 8:49 am to oleyeller
quote:yes - no doubt, it's well documented he was jealous of the attention Sosa and Macquire tot in 98 and decided he would show how much better he was than either of them by juicing just like they were.
He was a cheater
[quote]Avg player at best without roid[/quote
Now that's nonsense. He was a VERY Good player before he stated juicing. He became the historically best player of all time when he did start. Which shows what advantages the juicing gave.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 2:17 pm to Eat Your Crow
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Statistically, either he or Ruth is the greatest player ever.
Rickey Henderson is in that discussion as well.
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