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re: Here's the definition of a 'game manager'

Posted on 10/13/14 at 2:27 pm to
Posted by dnm3305
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 2:27 pm to
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I can do this too. In 2006 Drew averaged 34.6 attempts per game a 8.0ypa. In 2011 he averaged 41 attempts and 8.3 YPA. Fact is, it is an average and you sounded like a maroon earlier


People on this board get so caught up in arguing tangent points instead of the root. The sole point of all of that stuff about YPA is that some people were using that as a claim to prove Wilson is elite and not a game manager. He is neither elite nor a game manager. He is an above avg QB that wins games with a very good supporting cast around him. That YPA stat is irrelevant in the spirit of this thread, which is whether or not Wilson is a game manager. If you would take Aaron Rodgers and place him on the Seahawks, do you think they would be better or worse for it? Now, take Wilson and place him on the Packers. Zero running game, avg O-line, avg/below avg def. Are they better or worse with Wilson? Wilson is not the type yet that will win a game purely on his throwing ability because he simply has not been asked to do that. He has been asked to manage the game. Wilson was 18/25 for 206 yards and 2td's/0 int in the Super Bowl last year which is nearly exactly his avg game for his career. He is incredibly efficient. He will not carry a team and win with his arm on a consistent basis. He was given a safety, a pick-6 and a kickoff returned for a TD by Harvin in that game before he threw his first TD pass with 2:58 left in the 3rd quarter.
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 2:54 pm to
Philip Rivers for MVP
Posted by DelU249
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 2:55 pm to
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sole point of all of that stuff about YPA is that some people were using that as a claim to prove Wilson is elite and not a game manager


it is the most efficient stat and has the highest correlation to winning.

Do you know what I mean when I say it is "efficient"?
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 2:56 pm to
I don't think Wilson's surrounding talent isn't good enough to call him a game manager. The guy flat out wins games with less talent on offense
Posted by dnm3305
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 2:57 pm to
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Do you know what I mean when I say it is "efficient"?


No I dont, event though I said the exact same thing in my post just two post above yours.
Posted by dnm3305
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 2:58 pm to
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I don't think Wilson's surrounding talent isn't good enough to call him a game manager. The guy flat out wins games with less talent on offense


It's not at all about offensive talent. It's about defensive talent. The offense is but 1/3 of any team.
Posted by DelU249
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 2:59 pm to
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I don't think Wilson's surrounding talent isn't good enough to call him a game manager


agreed, I think he makes Baldwin and kearse look a lot better than they really are
Posted by craigbiggio
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 2:59 pm to
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Now, take Wilson and place him on the Packers


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avg O-line


Seahawks had one of the worst o-lines in the league last year FWIW
Posted by DelU249
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 3:00 pm to
a great running game and great defense isn't conducive to putting up the numbers you want him to put up.

If he had the GB defense and a true #1 receiver, he'd be having a top 5 year.
Posted by CocoLoco
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 3:02 pm to
I like Wilson a lot, but you have to be careful with this "elite" title.

There are 4 elite quarterbacks; we know who they are. Rivers is making his case to be the 5th.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 3:10 pm to
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It's not at all about offensive talent. It's about defensive talent. The offense is but 1/3 of any team.




He can and has won games on offense. With the talent he has, he's hardly just a "game manager".

They scored more PPG than the Saints did last year.
Posted by tigerpimpbot
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 3:18 pm to
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He can and has won games on offense. With the talent he has, he's hardly just a "game manager".



They really do have a good system to take advantage of his talent. He makes big plays when they need him to. But they don't ask him to throw 50 times a game because they can power run the ball with beast mode.

This post was edited on 10/13/14 at 3:19 pm
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 3:20 pm to
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They really do maximize his talent. He makes big plays when they need him to. But they don't ask him to throw 50 times a game because they can power run the ball with beast mode.



If you can throw for 26 TD's and single-digit picks in a season without my offense having to chunk it around the yard 50 times a game, you can be my quarterback anytime.
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 3:21 pm to
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He can and has won games on offense. With the talent he has, he's hardly just a "game manager".


Well I would hope so since everyone seems to think he's an elite QB.

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They scored more PPG than the Saints did last year.


Didnt realize that and that's pretty impressive. How many of the TD's they scored were a direct result of Wilson? How many defensive TD's and Special Teams TD's did they have? How many did the Saints have? Like I said earlier, the Seahawks scored 29 pts in the Super Bowl before Wilson threw his first TD pass. In the record books it will look like the offense put up 45 pts.
This post was edited on 10/13/14 at 3:23 pm
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 3:25 pm to
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How many of the TD's they scored were a direct result of Wilson?
30 tds were due to Wilson
Posted by DelU249
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 3:30 pm to
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How many of the TD's they scored were a direct result of Wilson?


what sort of question is this...Wilson could throw it down to the goal line every drive and they could give it to lynch. Stats can be misleading, all of them...which is why the most efficient stats have higher correlations to winning. His 7.0 YPA cannot be discounted. His QB rating cannot be discounted. They are what they are. Very rarely do these statistics misrepresent reality.

Posted by boom roasted
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 3:32 pm to
Y'all are wasting your time.

Unless you have a shitty defense, shitty run game and have to pass for an average 30 times a game, you will never be anything other than a "game manager," whatever the hell that means. Screw the fact that he can take over in some games and light up a defense, doesn't matter.
This post was edited on 10/13/14 at 3:40 pm
Posted by DelU249
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 3:39 pm to
People don't realize what a game manager is...they're job is not to frick things up too badly and occasionally make a play.

who in the world thinks that is Russell Wilson's job description?

They'd be 1-4 without him.

Posted by boom roasted
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 3:48 pm to
It's baffling that people can see the plays he makes on the field and the things he brings to the table, and call him a "game manager." It makes absolutely no sense to me.
Posted by DelU249
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 3:53 pm to
they haven't seen him play.

When they give him a huge contract and the offense revolves around him throwing the ball more, people will finally see it. He's a Andrew luck only 5 inches shorter, but a better runner.

It's a shame they don't play in the same conference


ETA: He also lost his best receiver this year...harvin has done nothing besides sweeps and quick screens that fail every time. Wilson is amazing.
This post was edited on 10/13/14 at 3:56 pm
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