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re: Here's the definition of a 'game manager'

Posted on 10/13/14 at 2:07 pm to
Posted by brgfather129
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 2:07 pm to
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who can throw a ball faster than these guys?


Stafford and Cutler should be on that list, above Wilson too.
Posted by DelU249
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 2:07 pm to
YPA is the most efficient stat in my opinion. Sure it can be deceiving like any other, but most often it is not and the correlation to winning is probably higher than any other metric other than net passer rating.
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 2:08 pm to
LINK

While this has not been updated for the most recent set of games, I think this is also an interesting metric for evaluating how much "work" a QB puts in. If you look at the Highest YAC% for QBs. The top 5 is... Cassell, EJ Manuel, Dalton, Bridgewater and Hustle Russell
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 2:08 pm to
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Brees threw*** it less in '09 because he didnt HAVE to throw it as much. The Saints were ranked no.6 in rushing that year as a team. He became more efficient and his fricking YPA went up as he threw the damn ball less. The Saints are less efficient in '10, he throws the ball more and his YPA went down
I can do this too. In 2006 Drew averaged 34.6 attempts per game a 8.0ypa. In 2011 he averaged 41 attempts and 8.3 YPA. Fact is, it is an average and you sounded like a maroon earlier
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Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 2:09 pm to
I'd like to see a rocket contest. I'd put my money on Cutler after a six pack of budlight
Posted by DelU249
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 2:09 pm to
yeah I forgot about them, you're right. especially Stafford. above luck and flacco as well. vick still has the best.

Posted by Jelly
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 2:10 pm to
Cutler, Grossman, Jamarcus and Jeff George. I would watch that on Pay-per-view.
Posted by boom roasted
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 2:11 pm to
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While this has not been updated for the most recent set of games, I think this is also an interesting metric for evaluating how much "work" a QB puts in. If you look at the Highest YAC% for QBs.
I don't think I'm following. What is YAC%? It looks like the good QBs are scattered all over the place.
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 2:11 pm to
Vick and Favre too.

I've heard Bert Jones probably had the best pure arm ever in the game.
Posted by Jelly
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 2:13 pm to
Yards After Catch. So Air Yards are Passing yards-Yards After Catch. Granted both can be skewed, but Air Yards per attempt, is a decent heuristic to see how deep their average pass attempt is.
Posted by dnm3305
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 2:17 pm to
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While this has not been updated for the most recent set of games, I think this is also an interesting metric for evaluating how much "work" a QB puts in. If you look at the Highest YAC% for QBs. The top 5 is... Cassell, EJ Manuel, Dalton, Bridgewater and Hustle Russell


Mighty fine company Mr. Russell finds himself in with this metric...
Posted by TDawg1313
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 2:17 pm to
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Air Yards per attempt, is a decent heuristic to see how deep their average pass attempt is.

If that's the case, then Wilson was #2 in the NFL his rookie season at 4.58 and #3 in the NFL last year at 4.43. He's dropped off quite a bit this year since they run a lot of screens and quick outs with Percy Harvin. LINK
Posted by TDawg1313
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 2:19 pm to
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Mighty fine company Mr. Russell finds himself in with this metric...

Agreed. He's elite in this category so far in his career.
Posted by DelU249
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 2:19 pm to
Jamarcus Russell has the best arm I've ever seen
Posted by boom roasted
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 2:19 pm to
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Mighty fine company Mr. Russell finds himself in with this metric...

I'm guessing you didn't actually look at the link...

If being at the top of that category is bad, bottom of the category must be good, right?

Austin Davis
Kaep
Romo
McCown
Hoyer
Stanton
Glennon
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 2:20 pm to
Yeah, him too
Posted by LSU Piston
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 2:20 pm to

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Jamarcus Russell has the best arm I've ever seen


Jeff George laughs at Jamarcus's arm
Posted by Jelly
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 2:20 pm to
Right, it really isnt the end all be all of QB measurables. Just something else to consider when looking at QB's and what they are expected to do within their offensive roles. I mean Charlie Whitehurts is #1 in Air Yard per Attempt, for christs sakes. Russell is good no doubt, I just wanted to throw some other stats that people could squabble over. haha
Posted by TDawg1313
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 2:23 pm to
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Right, it really isnt the end all be all of QB measurables. Just something else to consider when looking at QB's and what they are expected to do within their offensive roles. I mean Charlie Whitehurts is #1 in Air Yard per Attempt, for christs sakes. Russell is good no doubt, I just wanted to throw some other stats that people could squabble over. haha

What it does prove though is that he's been throwing the ball further down the field than pretty much anybody else in the league so far in his career and being incredibly good at it. Game managers don't do that.
Posted by Jelly
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 2:25 pm to
Yeah, I just wanted to bring up the statistic because it helps us more objectively quantify what a QB's role in a particular offense is. As you stated Wilson is pretty remarkable in his stats in other years, he a higher percentage of passes over 15 yards than most of the QB's in the league and was still mighty efficient. This year though, he may have to do less by having Harvin for a (hopefully) full season. Doesn't make him less "elite" at all.
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