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Posted on 10/13/14 at 4:00 pm to SabiDojo
Doesn't count because it was off playaction. Non-game manager QBs attempt 35+ passes without the benefit of playaction. Come on, Sabi.
I think I've figured out the criteria for a non-game manager QB: shitty run game, shitty defense, 35+ pass attempts per game. If a QB has the benefit of any of those three, he is a game manager.
ETA: I still find it hilarious that game manager Russell Wilson has more touches (pass attempts + rush attempts) per game than consensus QB#1 Aaron Rodgers.
I think I've figured out the criteria for a non-game manager QB: shitty run game, shitty defense, 35+ pass attempts per game. If a QB has the benefit of any of those three, he is a game manager.
ETA: I still find it hilarious that game manager Russell Wilson has more touches (pass attempts + rush attempts) per game than consensus QB#1 Aaron Rodgers.
This post was edited on 10/13/14 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 10/13/14 at 4:05 pm to boom roasted
In the 42 games Wilson has played, he has passed for >300 yards 3 times and he has >300 total yards 7 times (not including the >300 passing yard games).
Of those >300 yard passing games:
1. 24/36 385 yards 2TD/1INT; 7 rushes 60 yards 1 TD vs. Atlanta Playoffs (Loss)
2. 25/33 320 yards 1TD; 5 rushes 7 yards vs. Carolina (Win)
3. 22/30 310 yards 3TDs; 8 rushes 47 yards vs. Saints (Win)
Of those >300 combined yards:
1. 16/27 293 yards 3TDs; 5 rushes 17 yards vs. NE (Win)
2. 15/19 250 yards 1TD; 10 rushes 58 yards 1TD vs. Rams (Win)
3. 23/37 293 yards 2TDs; 9 rushes 71 yards vs. Chicago (Win)
4. 15/31 210 yards 2TD, 1INT; 13 rushes 102 yards vs. Indy (Loss)
5. 23/31 257 yards 0TD; 10 rushes 61 yards vs. Tennessee (Win)
6. 19/26 287 yards 2TDs; 3 rushes 20 yards vs. Atlanta (Win)
7. 18/24 201 yards 2Tds; 11 rushes 122 yards 1TD vs. Washington (Win)
His cumulative stats in those 10 games:
200/294 (68.03%)
2806 (280.6ypg)
18 TDs
2 INTs
81 rushes
565 yards (56.5ypg)
2 TDs
In those 10 games, the team went: 8-2 (4 home; 6 away) and points were 249-171 (24.9ppg ; 17.1ppg opponents).
Of those >300 yard passing games:
1. 24/36 385 yards 2TD/1INT; 7 rushes 60 yards 1 TD vs. Atlanta Playoffs (Loss)
2. 25/33 320 yards 1TD; 5 rushes 7 yards vs. Carolina (Win)
3. 22/30 310 yards 3TDs; 8 rushes 47 yards vs. Saints (Win)
Of those >300 combined yards:
1. 16/27 293 yards 3TDs; 5 rushes 17 yards vs. NE (Win)
2. 15/19 250 yards 1TD; 10 rushes 58 yards 1TD vs. Rams (Win)
3. 23/37 293 yards 2TDs; 9 rushes 71 yards vs. Chicago (Win)
4. 15/31 210 yards 2TD, 1INT; 13 rushes 102 yards vs. Indy (Loss)
5. 23/31 257 yards 0TD; 10 rushes 61 yards vs. Tennessee (Win)
6. 19/26 287 yards 2TDs; 3 rushes 20 yards vs. Atlanta (Win)
7. 18/24 201 yards 2Tds; 11 rushes 122 yards 1TD vs. Washington (Win)
His cumulative stats in those 10 games:
200/294 (68.03%)
2806 (280.6ypg)
18 TDs
2 INTs
81 rushes
565 yards (56.5ypg)
2 TDs
In those 10 games, the team went: 8-2 (4 home; 6 away) and points were 249-171 (24.9ppg ; 17.1ppg opponents).
Posted on 10/13/14 at 4:06 pm to htran90
I'm going to be honest with you, I'm not going to try to decipher that wall of statistics.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 4:06 pm to SabiDojo
even without the running ability he'd be a top quarterback. He moves around well in the pocket. Senses pressure when he cannot see it and has a lightning quick release. He's accurate and has a big arm.
Right now, he's a better quarterback than a lot of quarterbacks including brady, brees and even Rodgers imo
but people look at the yards thrown, TDs thrown, whatever...I'd take him over drew brees in an instant. he has a bigger arm and better accuracy right now, and a much better deep ball
Right now, he's a better quarterback than a lot of quarterbacks including brady, brees and even Rodgers imo
but people look at the yards thrown, TDs thrown, whatever...I'd take him over drew brees in an instant. he has a bigger arm and better accuracy right now, and a much better deep ball
Posted on 10/13/14 at 4:08 pm to boom roasted
quote:he's the king of that
boom roasted
Posted on 10/13/14 at 4:10 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:
boom roasted
quote:Huh?
he's the king of that
Posted on 10/13/14 at 4:11 pm to DelU249
I think Aaron Rodgers is still the best QB in the game, and has been for a while.
Nonetheless, Russell Wilson is incredible.
Nonetheless, Russell Wilson is incredible.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 4:12 pm to SabiDojo
quote:Agreed.
I think Aaron Rodgers is still the best QB in the game
Posted on 10/13/14 at 4:15 pm to htran90
he's only in his 3rd year, he's never had receivers that were any good.
His rookie year 63%, next year 64%, this year 66%
His YPA has been
2012: 7.9
2013: 8.0
2014: 7.0 (and will undoubtedly go up)
2012: 100.00
2013: 101.2
2014: 99.7 (and will undoubtedly go up)
He's a third year quarterback with a super bowl ring, a career completion percentage of 64%, a career rating of 100.00, and a career YPA of 7.9...
GAME MANAGER...he's such a game manager that if they redid the 2012 draft, the redskins would give up the same stash of picks so they could take Wilson in the same spot they took RG3
His rookie year 63%, next year 64%, this year 66%
His YPA has been
2012: 7.9
2013: 8.0
2014: 7.0 (and will undoubtedly go up)
2012: 100.00
2013: 101.2
2014: 99.7 (and will undoubtedly go up)
He's a third year quarterback with a super bowl ring, a career completion percentage of 64%, a career rating of 100.00, and a career YPA of 7.9...
GAME MANAGER...he's such a game manager that if they redid the 2012 draft, the redskins would give up the same stash of picks so they could take Wilson in the same spot they took RG3
Posted on 10/13/14 at 4:16 pm to SabiDojo
he may be, and he looks great. I think McCarthy benefits from having him at QB and he suffers for having McCarthy at HC.
Joe Philbin FTMFW
Joe Philbin FTMFW
Posted on 10/13/14 at 4:18 pm to DelU249
quote:
He's a third year quarterback with a super bowl ring, a career completion percentage of 64%, a career rating of 100.00, and a career YPA of 7.9...
Russell Wilson = Brian Hoyer?
Posted on 10/13/14 at 4:20 pm to boom roasted
totally speaking of...god forbid if the seahawks get gordon
Posted on 10/13/14 at 4:26 pm to htran90
In the 34 games Rodgers has played since 2012, he has passed for >300 yards 12 times and has >300 total yards 3 times
Of those >300 passing games:
1. 25/42 346 yards 3TDs; 6 rushes 28 yards vs. Jets (Win)
2. 22/28 302 yards 4TDs; 1 rush 8 yards vs. Chicago (Win)
3. 21/37 333 yards 3TDs, 1INT; 2 rushes 13 yards vs. SF (Loss)
4. 34/42 480 yards 4TDs; 3 rushes -3 yards vs. Washington (Win)
5. 17/32 315 yards 1TD, 1INT; 5 rushes 21 yards vs. Baltimore (Win)
6. 25/39 318 yards 2TDs, 2INTs; 1 rush 5 yards vs. Chicago (Win)
7. 30/44 303 yards 2TDs, 1INT; 5 rushes 27 yards vs. SF (Loss)
8. 31/41 319 yards 4TDs, 1INT; 5 rushes 13 yards vs. NO (Win)
9. 24/37 338 yards 6TDs; 2 rushes 17 yards vs. Hou (Win)
10. 30/37 342 yards 3TDs; 2 rushes 0 yards vs. STL (Win)
11. 27/38 342 yards 3TDs; 4 rushes 11 yards 1TD vs. Tennessee (Win)
12. 28/40 365 yards 4TDs; vs. Minnesota (Win)
Of those > 300 combined yards:
1. 24/29 285 yards 2TDs; 6 rushes 31 yards vs. Minnesota (Win)
2. 27/35 286 yards 1TD, 1INT; 4 rushes 15 yards vs. Minnesota (Win)
3. 23/36 291 yards 3TDs; 4 rushes 14 yards vs. Chicago (Win)
His cumulative stats in those 15 games:
388/557 (69.7%)
4965 yards (331.0ypg)
45 TDs
7 INTs
50 rushes
200 yards (13.3ypg)
1 TD
In those 15 games, the team went 13-2 (6 home; 9 away) and the points were 486-343 (32.4ppg; 22.9ppg opponents
Of those >300 passing games:
1. 25/42 346 yards 3TDs; 6 rushes 28 yards vs. Jets (Win)
2. 22/28 302 yards 4TDs; 1 rush 8 yards vs. Chicago (Win)
3. 21/37 333 yards 3TDs, 1INT; 2 rushes 13 yards vs. SF (Loss)
4. 34/42 480 yards 4TDs; 3 rushes -3 yards vs. Washington (Win)
5. 17/32 315 yards 1TD, 1INT; 5 rushes 21 yards vs. Baltimore (Win)
6. 25/39 318 yards 2TDs, 2INTs; 1 rush 5 yards vs. Chicago (Win)
7. 30/44 303 yards 2TDs, 1INT; 5 rushes 27 yards vs. SF (Loss)
8. 31/41 319 yards 4TDs, 1INT; 5 rushes 13 yards vs. NO (Win)
9. 24/37 338 yards 6TDs; 2 rushes 17 yards vs. Hou (Win)
10. 30/37 342 yards 3TDs; 2 rushes 0 yards vs. STL (Win)
11. 27/38 342 yards 3TDs; 4 rushes 11 yards 1TD vs. Tennessee (Win)
12. 28/40 365 yards 4TDs; vs. Minnesota (Win)
Of those > 300 combined yards:
1. 24/29 285 yards 2TDs; 6 rushes 31 yards vs. Minnesota (Win)
2. 27/35 286 yards 1TD, 1INT; 4 rushes 15 yards vs. Minnesota (Win)
3. 23/36 291 yards 3TDs; 4 rushes 14 yards vs. Chicago (Win)
His cumulative stats in those 15 games:
388/557 (69.7%)
4965 yards (331.0ypg)
45 TDs
7 INTs
50 rushes
200 yards (13.3ypg)
1 TD
In those 15 games, the team went 13-2 (6 home; 9 away) and the points were 486-343 (32.4ppg; 22.9ppg opponents
Posted on 10/13/14 at 4:28 pm to DelU249
"He's never had good receivers"
Percy Harvin
Zach Miller
Golden Tate
were all good receiving options. They don't need to put up huge numbers to win because its a run first team.
Rodgers' is loaded with weapons, but lets not act as if Wilson is in Jacksonville.
Percy Harvin
Zach Miller
Golden Tate
were all good receiving options. They don't need to put up huge numbers to win because its a run first team.
Rodgers' is loaded with weapons, but lets not act as if Wilson is in Jacksonville.
This post was edited on 10/13/14 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 10/13/14 at 4:29 pm to htran90
find me another game manager who started his career with a 100.00 qb rating, 64% completion percentage and a 7.9 YPA...
I would love to know
I would love to know
Posted on 10/13/14 at 4:33 pm to htran90
have you seen the seahawks play? percy harvin isn't used beyond bubble screens and jet sweeps. This is his first year with the team as he was injured all of last year
Zach Miller? Stop the press
Golden Tate? You mean the guy everyone thought sucked until Russell Wilson was named the starter and who now plays in Detroit
You love aaron Rodgers so much but his 3rd option in the passing game is better than any receiver on the seahawks roster
2014: 7.0 YPA, 99 rating, 66% completion percentage, 4/1 TD:INT ratio...GAME MANAGER
Zach Miller? Stop the press
Golden Tate? You mean the guy everyone thought sucked until Russell Wilson was named the starter and who now plays in Detroit
You love aaron Rodgers so much but his 3rd option in the passing game is better than any receiver on the seahawks roster
2014: 7.0 YPA, 99 rating, 66% completion percentage, 4/1 TD:INT ratio...GAME MANAGER
This post was edited on 10/13/14 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 10/13/14 at 4:35 pm to DelU249
I never argued he wasn't efficient, but you guys argue nonsense with more nonsense.
Find me a QB that was put into a better situation than Wilson. You can't. That unfortunately takes away a lot of what he's done because he's very good.
Elite is a different story. People didn't even consider Rivers Elite even though he had a 3 year string of top 3 QB play. Then 2 years of bad play due to lack of weapons and no run game because the FO were idiots. Now he actually has weapons and is putting up top 3 numbers, again.
Look at the stats, what team has allowed only 15.9ppg the last 3 years. None.
Find me a QB that was put into a better situation than Wilson. You can't. That unfortunately takes away a lot of what he's done because he's very good.
Elite is a different story. People didn't even consider Rivers Elite even though he had a 3 year string of top 3 QB play. Then 2 years of bad play due to lack of weapons and no run game because the FO were idiots. Now he actually has weapons and is putting up top 3 numbers, again.
Look at the stats, what team has allowed only 15.9ppg the last 3 years. None.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 4:35 pm to DelU249
lol the sign of a great quarterback is producing with very little talent.
Look at Peyton. Marvin Harrison? Reggie Wayne? Wes Welker? Dallas Clark? Jesus, you might as well give him a one-legged alligator with hand deformities.
Look at Peyton. Marvin Harrison? Reggie Wayne? Wes Welker? Dallas Clark? Jesus, you might as well give him a one-legged alligator with hand deformities.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 4:40 pm to htran90
quote:
Find me a QB that was put into a better situation than Wilson
you seem to think his defense and the ground game positively inflates these numbers that are so worthless and misleading.
7.9 YPA, that's not a stat people use to showcase efficiency. It means he's fricking good. and he's a 3rd year player. Have fun arguing such a ludicrous position for the next decade. I'm sure there are still people out there who are still claiming tom brady is a game manager.
as to your question...do you really want to look at rookie qbs who landed in better situations? But I know you're talking about his defense sooooooo...have fun with this one.
This post was edited on 10/13/14 at 4:45 pm
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