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Posted on 2/1/11 at 5:45 pm to bomber77
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Hitting for average - Mays
Mays BA .302, bonds is .298, not much difference.
OBP is a much better stat, here its Bonds in a landslide. BB .444 WM .384. Now .384 is a great OBP, but .444 is awesome and there is no way you can argue steroids help OBP.
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His first 6 years, 142 total, 23.6 average. Not alot of home runs sort of.
well he was a lead off hitter until about 90 or 91, and 23.6 HR is a lot for a leadoff hitter.
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He really must have started working out! Its amazing the power that he added throughout his career
This is not the best way to look at, perhaps we should continue the discussion in the other thread.
Posted on 2/1/11 at 5:46 pm to stapuffmarshy
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BTW Bonds couldn't hold Mays jock, sorry
sorry but this is a not a position you can back up with anyhting but bias and emotion.
This post was edited on 2/1/11 at 5:47 pm
Posted on 2/1/11 at 5:56 pm to H-Town Tiger
baseball: Albert Puljos
football:Drew Brees
Basketball: Shaq
Hockey: Patrick Roy
football:Drew Brees
Basketball: Shaq
Hockey: Patrick Roy
Posted on 2/1/11 at 5:59 pm to bomber77
quote:Yes, but I'm not outraged if you think Mays is better. It's close, but I think Bonds might be the very best player ever.
Do you think Bonds was a better baseball player than Mays?
quote:Ummm.... they rate all prospects in the five tools, from future Hall of Famers to guys who will never get out of Rookie Ball. To be considered in any of the tools categories, you have to be scouted once.
BTW, the 5 tools are a way to rate great baseball players. To be considered in this catagory one has to be a good player already.
quote:Its used to compare all players. And Babe Ruth wasn't a DH, as the position didn't exist. Would you prefer I use Ted Williams and Nyjer Morgan in the comp? Morgan arguably wins three tools over Teddy Ballgame, who is arguably the worst defensive outfielder in the game's history. OK, not that bad, but he did view defense as the time he had to wait until he could hit again.
Its not used to compare a short stop that hits for a 195 average to a fat slob who is a DH power hitter.
The five tools overrates slap-hitting speedsters who can throw a little. Baseball is a skill sport. It's what you DO with your tools. And the tools ignore patience and intellegence, which both matter a lot.
Posted on 2/1/11 at 6:13 pm to Baloo
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Its not used to compare a short stop that hits for a 195 average to a fat slob who is a DH power hitter.
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Its used to compare all players. And Babe Ruth wasn't a DH,
I wasnt refering directly to your comparison, just using a generic example. I know Babe Ruth wasnt a DH for Christs sake.
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they rate all prospects in the five tools
Ummm, I really do know this.
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Ted Williams
Isnt considered a 5 tool player. He stunk in the field. Doesnt make him any less a great hitter.
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The five tools overrates slap-hitting speedsters who can throw a little.
No one said that a player like this (4 tools) is better than a guy like Ted Williams. Youre turning this into an argument about procedure. The actual discussion was between Mays and Bonds.
Mays excelled in each and every one of the 5 tools. My statement was simply that Mays is considered by many to be the greatist 5 tool player ever.
How do we explain Bonds early homer average (appx 31 for his first 12 years in the league) compared to his last six years (47 per year)?
This post was edited on 2/1/11 at 6:16 pm
Posted on 2/1/11 at 6:20 pm to LSUCanFAN
quote:
Houston Aeros?
Yes sir.....
Posted on 2/1/11 at 6:27 pm to bomber77
quote:And I'm pointing out that is a worthless distinction. You brought up the five tools, not me.
Mays excelled in each and every one of the 5 tools. My statement was simply that Mays is considered by many to be the greatist 5 tool player ever.
Mays is a great player. So was Bonds. Both used illegal drugs. Both hit for power and could steal bases. Both were fantastic defensive players. Both were also really smart players who played the percentages as well.
Posted on 2/1/11 at 6:33 pm to bomber77
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How do we explain Bonds early homer average (appx 31 for his first 12 years in the league) compared to his last six years (47 per year)?
Smaller yards, tighter wound balls, expansion, tighter zones, better bats....need I go on?
Posted on 2/1/11 at 6:35 pm to OWLFAN86
I saw Jordan play over 100 times during the 90s.
Posted on 2/1/11 at 6:43 pm to OWLFAN86
Baseball: either John Smoltz or Chipper
Football: Rolando Mcclain
Basketball: Richard Hendrix
Football: Rolando Mcclain
Basketball: Richard Hendrix
Posted on 2/1/11 at 7:52 pm to bomber77
Bonds came up in 86, he was a leadoff hitter at first and the NL at that time had mostly pitcher friendly parks. Still he was hitting in the mid 20's, which was a lot for a leadoff hitter. After 91 he hit 3rd and was among the league leaders in HR pretty much every year
Posted on 2/1/11 at 7:59 pm to OWLFAN86
Baseball - Pedro Martinez
Football - Walter Payton
Basketball - The Basketball Jesus Larry Bird
Hockey - Cam Neely
Football - Walter Payton
Basketball - The Basketball Jesus Larry Bird
Hockey - Cam Neely
Posted on 2/1/11 at 8:16 pm to Perrenial Powerhouse
Baseball: Tony Gwynn
Football: Dan Marino or Drew Brees (homer i know)
Basketball: Jordan (not in his prime though)
Hockey: Cam Brown
Football: Dan Marino or Drew Brees (homer i know)
Basketball: Jordan (not in his prime though)
Hockey: Cam Brown
Posted on 2/1/11 at 9:56 pm to OWLFAN86
Baseball: Pete Rose or Nolan Ryan
Basketball: M Jordan
Football: Joe Montana or Anthony Munoz
Hockey: Gordie Howe (he was like 50)
Golf: Jack Nicklaus @ Augusta
Tennis: Pete Sampras or Roger Federra
Basketball: M Jordan
Football: Joe Montana or Anthony Munoz
Hockey: Gordie Howe (he was like 50)
Golf: Jack Nicklaus @ Augusta
Tennis: Pete Sampras or Roger Federra
Posted on 2/1/11 at 11:09 pm to OWLFAN86
Football - Barry Sanders
Baseball - Pujols, Bonds, Randy Johnson
Basketball - Lebron
Hockey - Ovechkin
Seen Tiger 2x's (1 at Augusta) and got to sit on the Lawn at the 2008 Men's Wimbleton Final Nadal v Federer... Nadal won in a legendary match
Baseball - Pujols, Bonds, Randy Johnson
Basketball - Lebron
Hockey - Ovechkin
Seen Tiger 2x's (1 at Augusta) and got to sit on the Lawn at the 2008 Men's Wimbleton Final Nadal v Federer... Nadal won in a legendary match
This post was edited on 2/1/11 at 11:15 pm
Posted on 2/1/11 at 11:09 pm to The Boat
quote:
Hockey Cam Brown
Posted on 2/1/11 at 11:41 pm to OWLFAN86
Baseball: Bonds, Pujols, Sosa, McGwire the year he broke the record, A-rod, Randy Johnson, Jeter.... I love them all!
Basketball: Larry bird (I was like 6 at the time, but it counts), shaq
Football: Farve, Brees, both Mannings... I'm sure there are others that have come through the dome in the past 20 years that I can't think of off the top of my head
Basketball: Larry bird (I was like 6 at the time, but it counts), shaq
Football: Farve, Brees, both Mannings... I'm sure there are others that have come through the dome in the past 20 years that I can't think of off the top of my head
Posted on 2/1/11 at 11:42 pm to OWLFAN86
Bonds
Montana
Jordan
Montana
Jordan
Posted on 2/1/11 at 11:57 pm to OWLFAN86
Baseball: The Big Red Machine Take your pick (Johnny Bench, Pete Rose, Joe Morgan, Tony Perez, Dave Concepcion, George Foster, Ken Griffey, Cesar Geronimo
Football: Joe Montana & Jerry Rice
Basketball: Shaquille O'Neal, Robert Parish, Karl Malone, & Joe Dumars
Football: Joe Montana & Jerry Rice
Basketball: Shaquille O'Neal, Robert Parish, Karl Malone, & Joe Dumars
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