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re: For those who watched the BCS era…and argued for a playoff system and players getting NIL
Posted on 4/16/25 at 11:01 am to SuckerPunch
Posted on 4/16/25 at 11:01 am to SuckerPunch
I personally think it should a 4 or 6 team playoff using BCS-like rankings (combo of computers and humans)
The BCS rankings weren’t perfect, but combining 2 wide-ranging human polls (coaches + media) with the various computer polls was superior to merely a small select committee of humans that have biases.
That said, the playoff will likely never decrease in size… that ship has sailed. If anything, It will only grow. But I definitely favor going back to something similar to the way we ranked teams in the BCS era. I don’t like the rankings being determined by a very small committee of humans.
The BCS rankings weren’t perfect, but combining 2 wide-ranging human polls (coaches + media) with the various computer polls was superior to merely a small select committee of humans that have biases.
That said, the playoff will likely never decrease in size… that ship has sailed. If anything, It will only grow. But I definitely favor going back to something similar to the way we ranked teams in the BCS era. I don’t like the rankings being determined by a very small committee of humans.
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Posted on 4/16/25 at 11:01 am to SuckerPunch
No. People forget the computers were just a small part of the process. They had people on a committee who had never been involved in football at any level picking who could play for a title. Why would anyone be against allowing a playoff pick a champion?
Posted on 4/16/25 at 11:02 am to kingbob
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(I have always been opposed to college players being paid
Imagine being this stupid and unamerican
Posted on 4/16/25 at 11:04 am to Mingo Was His NameO
I’ve always been a proponent of true NIL not this pay for play shite we’ve got going on right now. So if somebody’s worth the fair marketing value to a business,yes pay them for that. Do away with unlimited transfers, and it will correct itself
Posted on 4/16/25 at 11:16 am to InkStainedWretch
quote:I don't think them being paid is the issue. It's the fact that NIL with the inclusion of the unlimited portal moves has created vast inequity in college sports where the Goliaths of the world stockpile and the Davids have nothing other than the opportunity to find diamonds, train them, and then have them poached. NIL with a restrained portal or an open portal with no NIL would fix the issue. NIL was never supposed to be free agency, just open the opportunity for kids to profit from their name, image, or likeness with appearances, video games, and jersey's etc. With no limits college sports have turned into MLB where you have the Dodgers and Yankees of the world spending to a point to build unbeatable teams that the rest of the field just can't keep up.
I truly don't understand why the very idea makes fans levitate.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 11:17 am to kingbob
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I still believe a playoff is the superior system, but the playoffs we’ve gotten haven’t really been quite perfect yet.
The 4 team playoff was perfect. Every season you can make an argument that more than 2 teams deserve a title shot so 4 satisfied that. Rarely and I mean RARELY can you argue that 5+ teams deserve a shot after 12 weeks of normal play plus championship game weekend.
the first 9 years of the playoff the committee got it 100% right on the nose too. Idk why people think otherwise unless they just have a personal axe to grind. Year 10 though was a shitshow for sure.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 11:17 am to SuckerPunch
A 4 team BCS would be perfect.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 11:20 am to SuckerPunch
Yes
Posted on 4/16/25 at 11:21 am to WG_Dawg
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The 4 team playoff was perfect. Every season you can make an argument that more than 2 teams deserve a title shot so 4 satisfied that. Rarely and I mean RARELY can you argue that 5+ teams deserve a shot after 12 weeks of normal play plus championship game weekend.
6 teams, top 2 get a bye is the perfect system as far as competitive balance. It still puts an extreme premium on the regular season because being 1 or 2 and getting a bye is a huge advantage, but it puts none to maybe 2 max non contenders in the playoff depending on the year.
But this is all just useless jabber, we’ll be at 16 soon and it’s never contracting unless media rights to a nosedive
Posted on 4/16/25 at 11:23 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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Imagine being this stupid and unamerican
I don’t have to imagine, I live it every day. College athletes should be college students on scholarships. Players who don’t GAF about school should have the option to go straight to the NFL or minor leagues right out of high school if those leagues would have them.
A college education, 4-5 years of free housing, food, and healthcare, is an incredible opportunity in life. If one plays their cards right, even if they never become a professional athlete, they can graduate into a great career with no debt, huge connections, and probably a future top shelf wife. To act like all of this is “worthless” because they’re not advertising car dealerships or not getting paid a couple dollars for their jersey number and approximate stats appearing in a video game is a MASSIVE insult to every other person has ever dreamed of going to college or had to pay their own way through.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 11:26 am to kingbob
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A college education, 4-5 years of free housing, food, and healthcare, is an incredible opportunity in life
Who cares? You complain about how much money you made on this site for years. Who’s to say I couldn’t arbitrarily define what you made as more than enough?
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To act like all of this is “worthless” because they’re not advertising car dealerships or not getting paid a couple dollars for their jersey number and approximate stats appearing in a video game is a MASSIVE insult to every other person has ever dreamed of going to college or had to pay their own way through.
No one said this
Posted on 4/16/25 at 11:41 am to Mingo Was His NameO
A lot of the people protesting in favor of NIL compared playing d-1 college ball to slavery.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 11:42 am to SuckerPunch
I wish we could go back to limited transfers and original P6 conferences of the early 2000’s. I’m fine with NIL and the playoffs.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 11:45 am to SuckerPunch
No.
regarding NIL the problem is that its NOT NIL at all. Its pay for play.
regarding the playoff/BCS conversation is that at no point have they done it correctly
1) 6 teams; top 2 get a bye
2) Rankings done by a BCS style system with no auto bids or conference requirements
3) Home games for all matchups until the championship
4) Eliminate the absurd bowl affiliations
regarding NIL the problem is that its NOT NIL at all. Its pay for play.
regarding the playoff/BCS conversation is that at no point have they done it correctly
1) 6 teams; top 2 get a bye
2) Rankings done by a BCS style system with no auto bids or conference requirements
3) Home games for all matchups until the championship
4) Eliminate the absurd bowl affiliations
Posted on 4/16/25 at 11:51 am to WG_Dawg
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I know it's fun to rag on the NCAA but I don't completely fault them for this shite we're in. Anytime they tried to enforce a rule that they had in place someone would sue them and some pantywaist judge would rule against them. Their legs were cut out from under them from being able to enforce anything. It's kinda hard to enforce the rules about paying players when you're just going to get told by a judge you're not allowed to do so.
That’s because they kept trying to say/argue that they weren’t employees of the school. It’s awfully hard to limit the payment/earnings of people who aren’t your employees.
If the NCAA allowed schools to pay the players directly instead of requiring collectives, they could have used enforceable buyouts in contracts, effectively limiting transfers.
However, then we run into Title IX issues, which is the biggest crock of shite enforced on universities
Posted on 4/16/25 at 11:57 am to Hester Carries
Who gives a shite that it’s pay for play versus “True NIL”? If they did away with NIL and allowed schools to write pay for play contracts, you would have buyouts nearly identical to coaching contracts, effectively ending unlimited transfers.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 12:06 pm to JohnnyKilroy
quote:1000000% this ^^^^^^^
Should make all playoff games on campus with just the NC game at a neutral site.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 12:45 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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Transfer rules should have reverted back to how they were in the bcs era, once NIL became a thing.
This. It almost fixes everything wrong today, but the NCAA refuses to do it.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 12:49 pm to SuckerPunch
Go back to the SEC being the only ones paying players? There is a reason why Saban left and the SEC has gone downhill since NIL
Posted on 4/16/25 at 1:04 pm to kingbob
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College athletes should be college students on scholarships. Players who don’t GAF about school should have the option to go straight to the NFL or minor leagues right out of high school if those leagues would have them.
I agree with all this.
And while it’s incredibly unpopular, I liked the old bowl system before the BCS. It was great to debate what team would have won if this team would have played that team. The bowls mattered and teams that got to go to the Rose Bowl or Sugar Bowl or Cotton bowl were excited. Teams that got to go to the Independence or Music City Bowl were usually still excited.
Money is the problem. I really think the money should go to the academic side and let sports be secondary. If you want semi professional football, let kids play in the USFL or whatever league is around.
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