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ESPN: How Alabama moved from Nick Saban to Kalen DeBoer in 49 hours

Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:15 am
Posted by RLDSC FAN
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:15 am
Good read

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But the 27-20 overtime loss to Michigan in the CFP semifinal at the Rose Bowl on Jan. 1 was a hard one for Saban to digest. Not only was Saban upset about the way his team played, he was especially disheartened about some of the things that happened afterward -- in the Rose Bowl locker room and back on campus when he met with some of the players.

"I want to be clear that wasn't the reason, but some of those events certainly contributed," Saban said of his decision to retire. "I was really disappointed in the way that the players acted after the game. You gotta win with class. You gotta lose with class. We had our opportunities to win the game and we didn't do it, and then showing your arse and being frustrated and throwing helmets and doing that stuff ... that's not who we are and what we've promoted in our program."

Once back in Tuscaloosa, as Saban began meeting with players, it became even more apparent to him that his message wasn't resonating like it once did.

"I thought we could have a hell of a team next year, and then maybe 70 or 80 percent of the players you talk to, all they want to know is two things: What assurances do I have that I'm going to play because they're thinking about transferring, and how much are you going to pay me?" Saban recounted. "Our program here was always built on how much value can we create for your future and your personal development, academic success in graduating and developing an NFL career on the field.

"So I'm saying to myself, 'Maybe this doesn't work anymore, that the goals and aspirations are just different and that it's all about how much money can I make as a college player?' I'm not saying that's bad. I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm just saying that's never been what we were all about, and it's not why we had success through the years."

Saban had also grown weary of churning through assistant coaches every year. For example, Tommy Rees, who was hired during the 2023 offseason, was Saban's seventh offensive coordinator in the past 11 years, and on occasion, there were nearly entire overhauls. After the 2018 season, seven assistants left for other jobs. Saban could tell that his age was becoming a factor in hiring coaches.

"People wanted assurances that I was going to be here for three or four years, and it became harder to make those assurances," Saban said. "But the thing I loved about coaching the most was the relationships that you had with players, and those things didn't seem to have the same meaning as they once did."


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From the outset, Washington's DeBoer and Florida State's Mike Norvell were at the top of Byrne's list. Both had what Byrne was looking for: a proven head coach who had won on a big stage and shown the propensity to develop players. Byrne declined to go into detail about whom he talked to first or his pecking order. But he had serious conversations with both coaches the day after Saban retired.

Throughout the interview process, Byrne was in contact with Bell as well as with Saban and Mike Brock, the athletics committee chair of the board of trustees. Byrne had to deal with only one agent as Jimmy Sexton represents both DeBoer and Norvell.

Immediately, there was speculation that Clemson's Dabo Swinney and Ole Miss' Lane Kiffin were possible candidates. Swinney played and coached at Alabama, and Kiffin worked at Alabama under Saban. Both were part of national championship teams at Alabama.

Byrne said there were conversations in his circle about a handful of candidates, but sources told ESPN that neither Swinney nor Kiffin was seriously in the mix. Texas' Steve Sarkisian, who, like Kiffin, is also represented by Sexton, was another prominent name mentioned in media reports, but Alabama's leadership knew Sarkisian wasn't going to leave Texas, especially with the Longhorns moving to the SEC next season, sources said.


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It didn't really matter, though, because by that time Byrne was bearing down on his top two targets. He and his wife, Regina, met with DeBoer and his wife, Nicole, on Thursday in downtown Seattle. There were also serious discussions with Norvell that day.

In fact, in the wee hours of that Friday morning, the fear among Florida State officials was that Norvell was close to trading his FSU garnet for Alabama crimson. Sources told ESPN that Florida State was poised to move quickly if that happened and that Kiffin would be a prime candidate.



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This post was edited on 3/6/24 at 9:26 am
Posted by Frac the world
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Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:24 am to
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"I thought we could have a hell of a team next year, and then maybe 70 or 80 percent of the players you talk to, all they want to know is two things: What assurances do I have that I'm going to play because they're thinking about transferring, and how much are you going to pay me?"



This shite would piss me off too, he won’t be the last coach to leave college cause of these players just wanting money
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
53104 posts
Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:26 am to
The money makes the job worth it for a younger coach, but re-recruiting your players every year would make me tap out if I were him.
Posted by Jcorye1
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:27 am to
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This shite would piss me off too, he won’t be the last coach to leave college cause of these players just wanting money


While I agree it's frustrating and helping ruin college football, he also had so many coaches leave to better themselves and Nick obviously leveraged his position for raises as well.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37461 posts
Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:27 am to
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"I want to be clear that wasn't the reason, but some of those events certainly contributed," Saban said of his decision to retire. "I was really disappointed in the way that the players acted after the game. You gotta win with class. You gotta lose with class. We had our opportunities to win the game and we didn't do it, and then showing your arse and being frustrated and throwing helmets and doing that stuff ... that's not who we are and what we've promoted in our program." Once back in Tuscaloosa, as Saban began meeting with players, it became even more apparent to him that his message wasn't resonating like it once did. "I thought we could have a hell of a team next year, and then maybe 70 or 80 percent of the players you talk to, all they want to know is two things: What assurances do I have that I'm going to play because they're thinking about transferring, and how much are you going to pay me?" Saban recounted. "Our program here was always built on how much value can we create for your future and your personal development, academic success in graduating and developing an NFL career on the field. "So I'm saying to myself, 'Maybe this doesn't work anymore, that the goals and aspirations are just different and that it's all about how much money can I make as a college player?' I'm not saying that's bad. I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm just saying that's never been what we were all about, and it's not why we had success through the years." Saban had also grown weary of churning through assistant coaches every year. For example, Tommy Rees, who was hired during the 2023 offseason, was Saban's seventh offensive coordinator in the past 11 years, and on occasion, there were nearly entire overhauls. After the 2018 season, seven assistants left for other jobs. Saban could tell that his age was becoming a factor in hiring coaches. "People wanted assurances that I was going to be here for three or four years, and it became harder to make those assurances," Saban said. "But the thing I loved about coaching the most was the relationships that you had with players, and those things didn't seem to have the same meaning as they once did."


I want to call bullshite on this, but I can’t. I honestly believe that we are going to lose veteran college coaches because they have made so much fricking money and just don’t want to manage personnel like this. They want to coach. It wouldn’t shock me if some 55-60 year old established coaches that have made almost $100M over their careers say frick it, I’m coaching HS in the future.

We shall see.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28259 posts
Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:27 am to
Saban is saying what a lot of college coaches are thinking. They understand why the players are looking for money (NIL). But without any contracts, like in pro sports, tying a guy to a team for a set number of years, it is perpetual "free agency". For a guy like Saban who has accomplished everything one could as a college coach the hassle just wasn't worth it for him any longer.

Posted by usc6158
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:29 am to
Saban was protected by the his buddies at the NCAA for years and allowed to play by a different set of rules. A level playing field must have been tough to swallow.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:30 am to
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Saban was protected by the his buddies at the NCAA for years and allowed to play by a different set of rules. A level playing field must have been tough to swallow.


Be careful, you sound like a fan of an opposing SEC team.
This post was edited on 3/6/24 at 9:31 am
Posted by BrianFantana
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:31 am to
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Saban was protected by the his buddies at the NCAA for years and allowed to play by a different set of rules. A level playing field must have been tough to swallow.


What rules were these?
Posted by mattz1122
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:32 am to
Saban was encountering the same challenges (with players) that helped drive him out of the NFL. He needs total control and was losing it.
This post was edited on 3/6/24 at 9:34 am
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:34 am to
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Saban was protected by the his buddies at the NCAA for years and allowed to play by a different set of rules. A level playing field must have been tough to swallow.


Perhaps. But I wouldn't say it is a completely level playing field because the big time programs are still the ones who are going to get the great players because they are willing to spend the most money. Even with the new "level playing field", Alabama had a top 2-3 recruiting class following a playoff birth in a "down" year for him.

He may not have liked it, but Saban had adapted to the new landscape. That, maybe more than anything, made him as great as he was. He was willing and able to adapt. It just got to the point where at his age there was really no reason to deal with the new, and ever changing headaches. He's made more money than he can ever really need and he's cemented himself as the greatest college football coach of the modern era. He had nothing more to prove or do.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:44 am to
Kiffin at FSU would be freaking awesome. Would absolutely dominate that state
Posted by kywildcatfanone
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:45 am to
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The money makes the job worth it for a younger coach, but re-recruiting your players every year would make me tap out if I were him.



Yep, entitlement of paid players will ruin it for good coaches.
Posted by Dire Wolf
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Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:45 am to
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He may not have liked it, but Saban had adapted to the new landscape. That, maybe more than anything, made him as great as he was. He was willing and able to adapt. It just got to the point where at his age there was really no reason to deal with the new, and ever changing headaches. He's made more money than he can ever really need and he's cemented himself as the greatest college football coach of the modern era. He had nothing more to prove or do.



Saban left the NFL cause he wanted control over his roster. Now he is retired because of the same thing in college.

It is impressive that he dances the line of being critical of the new "system" (if you can call it a system) and not being critical of the players for wanting money.

I hate what he did for Alabama but i wouldn't mind seeing him in a commissioner role for CFB. Someone needs to do it
Posted by LSUminati
Member since Jan 2017
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:46 am to
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While I agree it's frustrating and helping ruin college football, he also had so many coaches leave to better themselves and Nick obviously leveraged his position for raises as well.


False equivalency. Coaches grind in the profession to make it to that high leverage position - they get paid and treated like dirt early on in their careers, with rewards at the back end.

Players have proven nothing in that regard. They want, and now get it, day 1. Not saying it's right/wrong, but the "coaches do it" argument is extremely fallible.
This post was edited on 3/6/24 at 9:47 am
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:51 am to
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Kiffin at FSU would be freaking awesome.


I still think Kiffin ends up at FSU or Miami in a few years.
Posted by castorinho
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:53 am to
Great read
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
36589 posts
Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:58 am to
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False equivalency. Coaches grind in the profession to make it to that high leverage position - they get paid and treated like dirt early on in their careers, with rewards at the back end.

Players have proven nothing in that regard. They want, and now get it, day 1. Not saying it's right/wrong, but the "coaches do it" argument is extremely fallible.



there is no backend reward for the players in this situation. Most of them aren't going to have a long NFL career, if one at all.

They are now in a position where they have leverage for money. It is not their fault for taking it.

you go turn down a massive pay raise and then you can judge them
Posted by Pedro
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Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:59 am to
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"But the thing I loved about coaching the most was the relationships that you had with players, and those things didn't seem to have the same meaning as they once did."
as a teacher I feel that. I keep good relationships with the athletes I coach but the relationships with students are virtually nonexistent now.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50370 posts
Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:59 am to
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there is no backend reward for the players in this situation. Most of them aren't going to have a long NFL career, if one at all.


This isn't different from coaching. Most football coaches won't have a long or profitable career in coaching.
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