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re: Drew Brees omitted from NFL’s all-time team
Posted on 12/28/19 at 11:22 am to shel311
Posted on 12/28/19 at 11:22 am to shel311
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Where do we move the goalposts next to try and say Brees isn't as good as Manning/Brady?
Lets line up the goalposts with how many rings they each have. Good players elevate those around them and inspire.
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Posted on 12/28/19 at 11:22 am to brmark70816
quote:And this is why you compare QBs to their peers, or the league avg when the played.
I'll take that bet. In a few years (after the NFL adds two more games), when guys are passing for 6,000 yard seasons and 60tds while completing 80%, people are going to laugh at the QB production right now. Unless the rules change, that is where it is going..
Brees compares favorably, but most just don't care and ignore that. Or more to the point, most don't realize it.
Posted on 12/28/19 at 11:24 am to KirkLazarus
Well Manning earned one and was gifted the other .
Posted on 12/28/19 at 11:24 am to KirkLazarus
quote:We can do that in the thread where we talk about ranking great teams. In this thread, that isn't very relevant, we're talking about best QBs.
Lets line up the goalposts with how many rings they each have
quote:All credit to Tom Brady for inspiring those Patriot defenses!!!!
Good players elevate those around them and inspire.
This post was edited on 12/28/19 at 11:25 am
Posted on 12/28/19 at 11:24 am to shel311
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This is false.
Brees has separated himself from Manning/Brady
No he hasn't. The three are very close, and that's using a weak, surface level comparison of their stats the way you keep framing it. Manning and Brady both have a greater % of total passes thrown prior to rule changes and offensive inflation (Manning a much greater % than the other two).
You aren't nearly as savvy at this stuff as you think Shelly. You keep posting ridiculously stupid takes (like Brees' outdoor playoff game QB rating, which is a whopping five or six game sample and is ridiculous for a number of reasons).
Posted on 12/28/19 at 11:27 am to MusclesofBrussels
quote:Well, he has. You are just refusing to acknowledge it.
No he hasn't.
quote:It's not weak at all, you only feel that way because it shows Brees on top. You'll just downgrade literally every stat because Brees comes out on top, that's the only way to argue against Brees individually.
and that's using a weak, surface level comparison of their stats the way you keep framing it.
quote:I don't have a thought on how savvy I am, so you're wrong again. Though I can say with confidence I'm more savvy than you are based on this post you just made.
You aren't nearly as savvy at this stuff as you think Shelly.
quote:You don't understand context of sample size if that is your retort to something that isn't remotely a "stupid take." Sounds like you're the one who isn't nearly as savvy as you think.
You keep posting ridiculously stupid takes (like Brees' outdoor playoff game QB rating, which is a whopping five or six game sample and is ridiculous for a number of reasons).
This post was edited on 12/28/19 at 11:29 am
Posted on 12/28/19 at 11:40 am to brmark70816
quote:no, Staubach had a higher QB rating in his career. I'm just making up stats to see if anyone is paying attention. To prove a point that you can almost say anything you want on here and most take it as fact.
Did he really?
This post was edited on 12/28/19 at 11:43 am
Posted on 12/28/19 at 11:41 am to shel311
Brees is a solid QB don't get me wrong but lets use a wrestling analogy
Drew Brees is like a perennial Intercontinental Champion who had 1 heavyweight championship reign. He lives during an era with The Rock (Brady) and Stone Cold (Manning), its tough having to live in their shadow.
Drew Brees is like a perennial Intercontinental Champion who had 1 heavyweight championship reign. He lives during an era with The Rock (Brady) and Stone Cold (Manning), its tough having to live in their shadow.
Posted on 12/28/19 at 11:46 am to RollTide1987
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RollTide1987
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The NFC South is practically the MAC of NFL Football so it actually makes sense.
Brees is a system QB and has been for his whole career. The voters were thankfully intelligent enough to get this.
New Orleans went to the NFC Championship three times in his tenure. They’ve gone to a SB and won it. Since the Saints went to and won the SuperBowl, the Falcons and the Panthers have won the Division and also gone to the Super Bowl.
Three Super Bowl appearances in a decade by three different teams along with another NFC Championship Game by the Saints in 2018 means that the NFC South as a Division has produced one of the top 2 teams in the Conference 40% of the time over the last decade. With the Division boasting the best team in the Conference 30% of the time (40% counting the worst no call of all time in the NFC Championship Game in New Orleans).
Yet New Orleans is clearly the most dominant team in that timespan, with three straight Division Titles and counting at this point.
Your post is idiocy. Total and complete.
This post was edited on 12/28/19 at 11:49 am
Posted on 12/28/19 at 11:47 am to KirkLazarus
quote:Yea, he's solid
Brees is a solid QB don't get me wrong but lets use a wrestling analogy
quote:To make your shitty analogy much better, Drew Brees is like a tag team partner with a shitty partner who loses matches after Drew kicks some arse. And he wrestles in an era with 2 other great wrestlers who have better partners.
Drew Brees is like a perennial Intercontinental Champion who had 1 heavyweight championship reign. He lives during an era with The Rock (Brady) and Stone Cold (Manning), its tough having to live in their shadow.
That's the analogy.
Posted on 12/28/19 at 11:51 am to shel311
quote:or use boxing. He leads the other boxers in almost every stat except for referee decisions. And he continually gets overlooked for Championship matches because everyone wants to believe Brady and Manning deserve rematches based on the eye test.
That's the analogy.
Posted on 12/28/19 at 11:54 am to JJ27
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So the guy that will hold every QB record isn’t a top 10 QB.
You would have a point if the goal were to name the ten best QBs of all-time.
Posted on 12/28/19 at 12:04 pm to Bench McElroy
Brees is an accumulator but he accumulates so much he ought to be there
I am a Packer fan, always have thought they overdo it with Rodgers.
I am a Packer fan, always have thought they overdo it with Rodgers.
Posted on 12/28/19 at 12:07 pm to gthog61
Meh not a big deal, a lot of people view the rules today like people view the steroid era in baseball, with a big old asterisk for all the passing records they are setting
This post was edited on 12/28/19 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 12/28/19 at 12:26 pm to slackster
Unitas much better than drew
Posted on 12/28/19 at 12:38 pm to shel311
quote:
Brees has separated himself from Manning/Brady, but most people just want to close their eyes or stick their fingers and there ears and go "la la la" and not hear or see that Brees absolutely has separated himself.
Did I say Manning/Brady in particular? Were they the only 2 other QBs playing during Brees' career? The fact is, Brees' numbers were accumulated in a vastly cheapened era. To compare them to earlier eras is disingenuous, at best.
Posted on 12/28/19 at 12:49 pm to KirkLazarus
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Lets line up the goalposts with how many rings they each have. Good players elevate those around them and inspire.
Yep it’s a travesty Jim Plunkett isn’t on there
This post was edited on 12/28/19 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 12/28/19 at 1:09 pm to H-Town Tiger
In your opinion, is there a position in team sports that has more bearing on wins & losses than quarterback?
There isn’t even another one that comes close. Especially in the last 20-25 years.
In the Jim Plunkett-era that certainly wasn’t the case.
Rings certainly matter when discussing QB. Definitely a piece of the pie.
There isn’t even another one that comes close. Especially in the last 20-25 years.
In the Jim Plunkett-era that certainly wasn’t the case.
Rings certainly matter when discussing QB. Definitely a piece of the pie.
Posted on 12/28/19 at 1:11 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
In your opinion, is there a position in team sports that has more bearing on wins & losses than quarterback?
In team sports?
Surely you just mean football
Posted on 12/28/19 at 1:12 pm to NawlinsTiger9
Team sports
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