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re: Does Anyone Actually Like College Football More with NIL and Unlimited Portal?
Posted on 11/11/24 at 12:21 pm to tigerlion
Posted on 11/11/24 at 12:21 pm to tigerlion
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I’m with you, man. At least there are no false pretenses in the NFL. We know they’re getting paid, looking for the next big contract, etc. I can’t even get past the stupid suits our players show up in walking down Victory Hill with the gaudy chain necklaces. Then again on the sidelines, dudes with black backpacks are running around taking pictures of the players with these gaudy chains they’re wearing and pulling out other chains from their backpacks DURING pre-game warmups. Social media and NIL deals have ruined college football for me. Totally get why Saban retired. It used to be all business walking down the hill and then warming up, playing hard for the guy next to you, staying humble and playing your a$$ off for 60 minutes regardless of the score.

Posted on 11/11/24 at 12:51 pm to Big Scrub TX
Some of you just don’t get it. You can’t have a salary cap because the same programs who gave bags of cash to ensure top recruiting classes won’t adhere to any cap. The entire history of college football has been built upon cheating. And you guys long for those days of fake games.
Now, that ALL teams can buy players you see the dominant teams dwindling fast. And the portal is freaking awesome. We are seeing a revival of a sport that was dominated by 10 programs who cheated with consent from the NCAA. Those days are now over and now the middle tier has a path to a playoff system.
What most of you really mean when you say you enjoyed watching your freshmen grown into seniors is this - “I’m glad our bagman was able to get this 4 star LB to sign because we’ll need him in 2 years when our other paid for 5 star gets drafted”. Guess what- the players are now free from the total batch of lies they were sold by coaches while being recruited.
And no coaches are quitting because of this. That’s a straight myth all because Saban made a few comments. Show me one coach in his 40’s who left a high paying job to sell insurance because he couldn’t handle the portal?
Now, that ALL teams can buy players you see the dominant teams dwindling fast. And the portal is freaking awesome. We are seeing a revival of a sport that was dominated by 10 programs who cheated with consent from the NCAA. Those days are now over and now the middle tier has a path to a playoff system.
What most of you really mean when you say you enjoyed watching your freshmen grown into seniors is this - “I’m glad our bagman was able to get this 4 star LB to sign because we’ll need him in 2 years when our other paid for 5 star gets drafted”. Guess what- the players are now free from the total batch of lies they were sold by coaches while being recruited.
And no coaches are quitting because of this. That’s a straight myth all because Saban made a few comments. Show me one coach in his 40’s who left a high paying job to sell insurance because he couldn’t handle the portal?
Posted on 11/11/24 at 1:00 pm to Jcorye1
No, but I still watch CFB and pretty much watch NO NFL due to that product being so blatantly rigged.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 1:02 pm to Bunk Moreland
quote:this is where im at
It's cool to see some stories like Penix having the year he did last year. Or, Dillon Gabriel going to a NC contender. But, for the most part, it's out of control.
i like that it gives QBs an opportunity to start on a good team right away as opposed to having to put out some freshman or sophomore who isn't ready, but that's about it.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 1:07 pm to Jcorye1
It's professional football played in college stadiums now. It always was to some extent, but now all pretense and illusion is off. It is not college football. It will lead to more parity, more sports columns, and more advertising. The spirit of the sport is gone, though.
This post was edited on 11/11/24 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 11/11/24 at 1:09 pm to Big Scrub TX
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You're butthurt over "gaudy chains"?
Yep. Eliminate the chains only.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 1:16 pm to Jcorye1
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Does Anyone Actually Like College Football More with NIL and Unlimited Portal?
I "like" it and always will because I've followed it extremely closely for my whole entire life. It's not a switch that can just be turned off in an instnat. But the powers that be sure have sucked as much fun as they can out of it, beginning with the NIL/portal and we're rapidly going downhill from there.
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it just feels like another soul less corporate product now
becuase that's exactly what it's becoming. The people in charge for some reason want it to just be NFL-lite, not realizing that everyone that loved CFB loved it becuase it was NOT the nfl but it's own separate thing. Now we ahve:
-free agents that cna leave schools for any reason they choose whenever they want with essentially no repercussions
-7 figure salaries to college players, managing a roster full of salaried players, payments to HS recruits to come to your shcool. All above board and with very little in the way of regulation
-due to both of the above you now have a team made up of mercenary hired guns that often don't GAS about your alma mater and are jus tthere to cash a check for 12 months ,before deciding if they want to stay or take the highest bid and go elsewhere
-Way more neutral site games for no reason other than payouts
-corporate naming rights on fields
-corporate logos on jerseys, can' tremember if that's already happened or just approved but it's gonna happen soon if not already
-tripling the size of the playoffs which were already perfectly fine. I don' care how long you argue or how many links you want to provide, there is *literally* not one season ever where a team ranked 12th after 13 weeks deserves to be the national champion. None. Ever. If you want to be the best team in all of college football you should not be ranked 12th in early December.
-spending money out the arse for everying. Contributions just for the opportunity to buy season tickets, the season tickets themselves, ridiculously high face values on said tickets, travel and lodging, expensive parking, expensive concessions, etc. I go solo to games and stay or park cheap (most of the time) but it's virtually impossible to take a family fo 3/4 to more than a handful of games unless you live close.
This whole digression didn' even start THAT long ago. It was only like 10 years ago that the government meddled into "amateur student athletics" and decided that they know best (lol) and that these amateur student athletes deserved to be paid. It was all over at that point.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 1:17 pm to RunningJacket
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What most of you really mean when you say you enjoyed watching your freshmen grown into seniors is this - “I’m glad our bagman was able to get this 4 star LB to sign because we’ll need him in 2 years when our other paid for 5 star gets drafted”.
Not to mention the transfer portal enables you to run off the guys who can’t play unlike in the old days
Posted on 11/11/24 at 1:26 pm to RunningJacket
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What most of you really mean when you say you enjoyed watching your freshmen grown into seniors is this - “I’m glad our bagman was able to get this 4 star LB to sign because we’ll need him in 2 years when our other paid for 5 star gets drafted”.
you don't enjoy watching player development? You seem to be looking specifically through the lens of a loser program that is now able to get an extra guy or two you wouldn't otherwise and see it as a wonderful thing, instead of looking at it from a "college football as a sport" perspective.
There used to be great joy in signing a guy (idc what his star rating was or how good he was) and watching his progress. He may have redshirted as a freshman bc he was so raw. Maybe saw some mop up duty or special teams work as a redhisrt freshman. As a RSo maybe he's 2/3 string and spelling a guy in the second half. Maybe he's solidly in the rotation as a Junior and by the time he's a 5th year senior he's starting and you can see not only the fruits of all his hard work, but how the coahces have brought him up from a raw prospect to a bonafide football player.
THAT is one of the things that made cfb absolutely wonderful and it's all but gone now becuase no one in their right mind is going to stay 4-5 years as a backup in one place.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 1:59 pm to WG_Dawg
Real life example of why college football was great and why it’s not anymore.
I saw a scrappy little team in Purdue in 1998 take on #3 Kansas State, led by Heisman runner-up Michael Bishop, in the Alamo Bowl. Some first year starter named Drew Brees was throwing some of the best passes I’ve ever seen while his Wrs were dropping those passes. Purdue jumped out to a big lead. K-State made a comeback, but this sophomore named Brees threw a TD with less than a minute left to win the game 37-34.
From that point on I kept up with Purdue while Brees was there, up to the point they beat a top-ranked Ohio State & Michigan to win their first Big Ten championship in over 30 years.
Fast forward 20 years. Wake Forest goes 11-3 and win the Atlantic Division of the ACC out of nowhere led by their QB Sam Hartman. He comes back next year and they go 8-5. The next year he transfers to Notre Dame and ends up sitting out the bowl game against #19 Notre Dame not to hurt his draft stock while Wake Forest goes 4-8.
The first story is one of the reasons I used to love college football.
The second story is one of the reasons I’m losing interest in college football.
I saw a scrappy little team in Purdue in 1998 take on #3 Kansas State, led by Heisman runner-up Michael Bishop, in the Alamo Bowl. Some first year starter named Drew Brees was throwing some of the best passes I’ve ever seen while his Wrs were dropping those passes. Purdue jumped out to a big lead. K-State made a comeback, but this sophomore named Brees threw a TD with less than a minute left to win the game 37-34.
From that point on I kept up with Purdue while Brees was there, up to the point they beat a top-ranked Ohio State & Michigan to win their first Big Ten championship in over 30 years.
Fast forward 20 years. Wake Forest goes 11-3 and win the Atlantic Division of the ACC out of nowhere led by their QB Sam Hartman. He comes back next year and they go 8-5. The next year he transfers to Notre Dame and ends up sitting out the bowl game against #19 Notre Dame not to hurt his draft stock while Wake Forest goes 4-8.
The first story is one of the reasons I used to love college football.
The second story is one of the reasons I’m losing interest in college football.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 3:02 pm to WG_Dawg
Dawg, come on now. Player development? Really. That’s what you guys are hanging on to? I totally hear you but can you not take off your blinders and see the entire sport objectively for once?
The sport had become a 10 team sport because of cheating. Sure, it was great for Bama, UGA, FSU, Clemson, Ohio St, Michigan, and a few others who had booster payment systems. You guys got your back to back titles because Kirby brought Bama’s payment system with him. Great, it worked and y’all had a NFL lite defense for a 3 year period and you’ll always have the back to back t-shirt.
But that wasn’t good for the sport. The money guys realized it which is why these changes have been made all with the playoff expansion. It’s because money is made when all fanbases have a fair chance and not just a few.
I fully realize that this board is comprised of fanbases of the teams who have bought players and won Natties under the old system so it doesn’t surprise me at all that most posters don’t like it. But, step outside your bubble and realize plenty of fan bases love this new era.
Coaches now have to be honest year to year and sell their school if they want players to stay. They just can’t rely on a bag of cash given in their junior year of high school.
The sport had become a 10 team sport because of cheating. Sure, it was great for Bama, UGA, FSU, Clemson, Ohio St, Michigan, and a few others who had booster payment systems. You guys got your back to back titles because Kirby brought Bama’s payment system with him. Great, it worked and y’all had a NFL lite defense for a 3 year period and you’ll always have the back to back t-shirt.
But that wasn’t good for the sport. The money guys realized it which is why these changes have been made all with the playoff expansion. It’s because money is made when all fanbases have a fair chance and not just a few.
I fully realize that this board is comprised of fanbases of the teams who have bought players and won Natties under the old system so it doesn’t surprise me at all that most posters don’t like it. But, step outside your bubble and realize plenty of fan bases love this new era.
Coaches now have to be honest year to year and sell their school if they want players to stay. They just can’t rely on a bag of cash given in their junior year of high school.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 3:44 pm to RunningJacket
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Dawg, come on now. Player development? Really. That’s what you guys are hanging on to?
Uh, yeah? From the time I was in diapers all the way through into adulthood up until like 3 years ago. Are you claiming you DIDN'T like seeing guys progress through the years at your school? Kind of an odd thing to not believe. It's one of the things that truly separated college from the pros.
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The sport had become a 10 team sport because of cheating.
No, it had become a 1 team sport becuase of bama. NOBODY was whining and crying about transfers, payments, playoffs, etc until it was clear that bama was simply better than everyone else and was going to be so every single year. And let's not pretend the rest of CFB was some utopia of a new team being great each season with everyone getting a turn. The 90s was the FSU/nebraska show with UF and UT beating up on poeple 95% of the time as well. The early 00s it was USC/OU/Miami mostly doing the same. Oh sure there were years where a team popped up to win it all, ya know scrappy underdogs like Texas or Ohio state. The little guy. Teh fact is that the top ~10 programs throughout the history of the sport have genreeally always, and generally always will, be at the top of the pile at the end of the year. That's life.
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The money guys realized it which is why these changes have been made all with the playoff expansion. It’s because money is made when all fanbases have a fair chance and not just a few.
Money is made when the people that are making the money decide that's how it's gonna be. Tech is getting a $10M check to move a home game down the street to the benz. Does that scream "college football" to you? A playoff of 4 teams that was perfectly fine tripled in size for no reason other than that it makes more money for a lot of different entities. Do you think "hey, how can we best figure out who the best team in america is?" ever factored in? Of course not. Do you really think that UCLA playing a conference game in New Jersey is what CFB should be about?
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But, step outside your bubble and realize plenty of fan bases love this new era.
I'm not looking at it from UGA's perspective, I'm looking at it from an "AMATEUR STUDENT ATHLETE" perspective, which is what I grew to lvoe about the sport in the first place. I'm sure you were loving hamilton, friedgen, and the rest of the gang having great seasons in the late 90s. It's almost like....your team winning and being good makes things more enjoyagble. IT's not mine or anyone else's fault that tech hasn't been a great program regularly since the 60s. And tha'ts not an insult, it's just pointing out that you seem to think massively and fundamentally changing the foundation of the sport is a good thing, simply becuase it makes your team win 2 extra games a year. That's ridiculous.
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Coaches now have to be honest year to year and sell their school if they want players to stay. They just can’t rely on a bag of cash given in their junior year of high school
These 2 things don't go together. Now if you want to keep a good player, that you have recruited and is already on your roster and already on your team, you have to pay him a bag of cash every year to keep him from leaving for hte highest bidder.
We are approaching thsi from 2 VERY different angles. You are looking at it purely as entertainemnt. This is no differnet than a movie or a video game for you. Whatever is coolest, and leads to the neatest outcomes with crazy twists is what you're all about. I'm looking at it wtih the memory of 18-21 year olds that committed to a school they like for 4 years and stayed and played for the logo on their jersey (when not attending class) agaisnt other kids doing the same. If I wanted to watch highly paid professionals earn a check by going on the field once a week then not giving a shite about it immeidately after it was over I'd watch the NFL. But I don't want that which is why I've alwasy been drawn to college. But those days are long gone.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 4:15 pm to RunningJacket
RunningJacket is dead on right. I will tell you a group of people this new era is good for….
Players and their families.
I am also sick of the hypocrisy of coaches like Saban. He had an outstanding program built on the premise that he had all the power (and was paid astronomical sums), and players had no leverage relative to his tyrannical approach. When NIL/portal comes along poor little Saban has to quit…..well boo-hoo.
Players and their families.
I am also sick of the hypocrisy of coaches like Saban. He had an outstanding program built on the premise that he had all the power (and was paid astronomical sums), and players had no leverage relative to his tyrannical approach. When NIL/portal comes along poor little Saban has to quit…..well boo-hoo.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 4:38 pm to JamalMurry27
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Isaiah Bond betrayal (not really he did what he needed to do for himself) but I really liked him at bama and for him to leave just made me feel betrayed.
Should an average 5th year senior from Tuscaloosa feel betrayed if the Tide brings in a better player from the portal and puts his arse on the bench?
Fans aren’t loyal to players. They are loyal to winning. Fans and coaches want the players to make all these sacrifices but sure as shite wouldn’t make any sacrifices for a player who is a liability to winning.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 4:48 pm to WG_Dawg
We probably agree on 95% of this stuff but I am not looking at it from a “my school” perspective. I am fully aware as to why my team fell off the college football map. That’s on us for not cheating and buying players post integration. That we’ve had a few winning seasons out of a 50 year period is the outlier just like UGA having a few bad seasons out of a 50 year period is the outlier. Our 2 programs have been playing completely different sports so your amateur athlete argument rings quite hollow,
To argue that no one was screaming or crying about paying players before the recent run of Bama is just nuts. People have been screaming about this for decades but when the NCAA does nothing about it except give a small school in Dallas the death penalty what were fans or schools to do? Auburn straight up bought a Natty and the NCAA did nothing and all the other schools who were buying players sat there quietly.
UGA hasn’t had an amateur team since the Camaro for Herschel. That’s like me saying Bobby Cremins just magically got Kenny Anderson and Stephon Marbury to sign. You can’t be that naive. I surely wish my school had been buying players like Roquan Smith, Hearst, Chubb, etc. You have been enjoying and watching and living for a semi pro team and sport your entire life. Do you not understand that? I wish my school had done it - and now we can legally which is why we have a 5 star commitment for the first time EVER. If this were 3 years ago, a Clemson, Bama, or UGA bagman would have gotten his commitment and then you’d be telling me how “amateur” he is. None of these guys are real students. If a team is playing real amateur students they aren’t winning.
To argue that no one was screaming or crying about paying players before the recent run of Bama is just nuts. People have been screaming about this for decades but when the NCAA does nothing about it except give a small school in Dallas the death penalty what were fans or schools to do? Auburn straight up bought a Natty and the NCAA did nothing and all the other schools who were buying players sat there quietly.
UGA hasn’t had an amateur team since the Camaro for Herschel. That’s like me saying Bobby Cremins just magically got Kenny Anderson and Stephon Marbury to sign. You can’t be that naive. I surely wish my school had been buying players like Roquan Smith, Hearst, Chubb, etc. You have been enjoying and watching and living for a semi pro team and sport your entire life. Do you not understand that? I wish my school had done it - and now we can legally which is why we have a 5 star commitment for the first time EVER. If this were 3 years ago, a Clemson, Bama, or UGA bagman would have gotten his commitment and then you’d be telling me how “amateur” he is. None of these guys are real students. If a team is playing real amateur students they aren’t winning.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 5:10 pm to CP3LSU25
I didn't realize I made the transfer portal or NIL legal. I'm pretty sure the US Supreme Court made those rulings.
Its a shite show how it is now, I would rather it be structured at the very least.
Its a shite show how it is now, I would rather it be structured at the very least.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 5:41 pm to Jcorye1
The portal is absolutely out of control.
When I'm watching a game, it seems like every other play is made by a transfer player, eg...
"And the tackle is made by XXXX, the junior safety transfer from (pick your school)"
When I'm watching a game, it seems like every other play is made by a transfer player, eg...
"And the tackle is made by XXXX, the junior safety transfer from (pick your school)"
Posted on 11/12/24 at 6:22 am to Jcorye1
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This post was edited on 11/12/24 at 6:23 am
Posted on 11/12/24 at 6:23 am to Jcorye1
I could care less about it and i grew up loving it. Especially with the playoffs. These huge upsets don't really mean anything at all once the playoffs roll around. Regular season doesn't mean as much as it did in the past when a loss pretty much bumped you out of a spot in the National Championship.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 6:38 am to Jcorye1
Some guardrails need to be put in place for sure.
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