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re: DAT 10/12-10/14. Astros to ALCS again. Game 1 Friday

Posted on 10/13/21 at 10:39 pm to
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 10/13/21 at 10:39 pm to
shite call he was safe
Posted by Pitch To Johnny
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Posted on 10/13/21 at 10:39 pm to
Ross’ tweet is what had me curious. Know they text each other but didn’t want to bring any potential rumors up without a confirmation
Posted by Pitch To Johnny
Houston
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Posted on 10/13/21 at 10:49 pm to
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Hearing the Astros will be dealing with a major hole in their pitching lineup during the Red Sox series. Not good. Going to need a lot of runs to get back to the World Series.


For context instead of ambiguously mentioning it.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
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Posted on 10/13/21 at 10:53 pm to
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shite call he was safe

He was def safe
Posted by 5 Deep
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Posted on 10/13/21 at 11:55 pm to
No games being played tonight was a brutal reminder how boring nights are during the off-season. I'm very much looking forward to game 5 tomorrow
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 10/13/21 at 11:56 pm to
Correa did an interview with a Puerto Rico outlet today, long story short.. he gone af.

quote:

Interviewer: How much do you like the fact that the Astros' owner has began saying that there possibility of keeping you exists? How much do you like hearing that from the org?

Correa: It's good to hear it, but like the businessman that he is, being one of the best and smart + the pressure from the fans is hard to face. You go to the ballpark to a game and the fans are screaming "Pay the man", so you'd feel the pressure, like, to silence the fans. So it's like "hey let's say something so they shut up"

Int: So you don't believe it to be true?

Correa: No, I told you in the first interview we did that I don't think it's possible considering the way they disrespected me at the beginning. I don't think they'll increase much from there and after the season I had and these + playoffs, the value has increased. So I don't know up to what point he's willing to go. What I do know is that there are other teams interested, and they use the words "all in" after me, so, I don't know. If he makes me an offer that's fair to both sides, we'll consider it.

Int: You always say that they disrespected you, and I think that when you're disrespected then their offer would have to be over what you'd expect so you can say "alright, I can overlook the disrespect and stay"

Correa: No because, remember that one has to do the numbers ourselves and study the market, and like I said, if you sign, let's say, for $350 in LA and you've got 37% of federal tax and 13% of state tax plus 5% for your agent, you'd have like one sixty something left. And if I sign for $270 in Houston you've got 10% of federal tax and 0 state tax, so you're saving 13% there, so you're left with more in Houston. So what's it worth saying "oh I have a bigger contract", no you want to have more left over. You don't want a big number so it makes the biggest headlines, you want to stay with the most money. So they are things one has to analyze and do the math for.

Int: So then that adds an appeal to the Houston Astros' organization since you're left with more because of taxes.

Correa: *nods*
Posted by 5 Deep
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Posted on 10/14/21 at 12:00 am to
Don't like that he's saying that stuff in the middle of a playoff run. Just wait a few weeks man
Posted by Jwho77
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Posted on 10/14/21 at 12:02 am to
I find this encouraging actually. Carlito is a smart businessman. He figured out the net-gross game that many other athletes don't get. He's basically just said he'd take 10 years, $270 million from Crane.
Posted by dru5
Houston, TX
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 10/14/21 at 12:02 am to
Whatever it takes to juice himself up to get the biggest contract possible
Posted by dru5
Houston, TX
Member since May 2013
1200 posts
Posted on 10/14/21 at 12:05 am to
He’s worth $270mm over 10yrs from a roster management standpoint. We aren’t going to offer more than $200mm (if that). Someone will give him $300mm+.
Posted by 5 Deep
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Posted on 10/14/21 at 12:06 am to
All the disresoect talk doesn't leave much confidence but at the end of the day he'd get over that if we make a good enough offer.


If we are in the area of what other teams offer after taxes and all that shite I don't see how he couldn't be so tempted to stay
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 10/14/21 at 12:09 am to
Oh and here's this

quote:

Int who's a Mets fan: do you like the East Coast?

Correa: I love it.

Int: And you like it if you have your pockets full?

Correa: And if they got stripes too.

Int: Do they have to be navy or blue and orange?

Correa: ...they can be any blue, but I can say the blue and orange stripes look nice

[everyone laughs]
Posted by Jwho77
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Posted on 10/14/21 at 12:09 am to
Sure, I suspect that the decision has already been made to let him go.

But if he'd go 9 years at $27-28 million AAV, Crane would be wise to realize that is a good overall investment. Gets Correa to age 35. You can move him to 3B if you need to do it when Bregman's deal expires.
Posted by Jwho77
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Posted on 10/14/21 at 12:11 am to
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If we are in the area of what other teams offer after taxes and all that shite I don't see how he couldn't be so tempted to stay


He likes it in Houston. Once the money is settled if he signed back, all the past contract negotiation butthurt would disappear. It's irrelevant if they show him the money he wants.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 10/14/21 at 12:15 am to
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If we are in the area of what other teams offer after taxes and all that shite I don't see how he couldn't be so tempted to stay

ive always felt like this is overblown but what do i know. correa literally says it matters in the interview

like i get why places in texas and florida would be a magnet for mid to lower level FAs who need every single penny knowing that every dollar counts for their livelihood. but with people like correa id think you eventually hit a point of diminishing returns where other things start to matter more. like whats the difference between only getting 160 million and 250?
This post was edited on 10/14/21 at 12:17 am
Posted by Jwho77
cyperspace
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Posted on 10/14/21 at 12:19 am to
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whats the difference between only getting 160 million and 250?


about 90 million
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 10/14/21 at 12:23 am to
obviously

but what can someone do with 250 million that they cant do with 160? only have 8 homes instead of 12? i guess im wrong though cause apparently it does make a difference
Posted by bigberg2000
houston, from chalmette
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 10/14/21 at 6:21 am to
Plus his property taxes must be high as frick in Texas or it will be when he builds a new house.
Posted by LSUBoo
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Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 10/14/21 at 6:57 am to
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And if I sign for $270 in Houston you've got 10% of federal tax and 0 state tax, so you're saving 13% there, so you're left with more in Houston. So what's it worth saying "oh I have a bigger contract", no you want to have more left over. You don't want a big number so it makes the biggest headlines, you want to stay with the most money. So they are things one has to analyze and do the math for.

Int: So then that adds an appeal to the Houston Astros' organization since you're left with more because of taxes.

Correa: *nods*


Sounds like a starting point. I think Houston's front office would go for $270/10 years for Correa.

If I was them, I'd take this to the next level. I'd work out a lower base salary with a shite-ton of incentives. Correa knows that he has to pay CA taxes on all those games in Anaheim and Oakland. And NY/MA/IL taxes for all those games. But incentives would be taxed in Texas. Give him a $24M base with incentives for playing 130, 140, 150 games. Incentives for making the ASG, top 10 MVP, top 5 MVP, winning MVP, ALCS MVP, WS MVP, etc. He can make even more money in a good season like 2021 while reducing his taxable income in the commie states.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 10/14/21 at 7:00 am to
He's not saying anything here no one already suspects. We all know how the Astros dealt with Springer/Cole/Bregman/Altuve, and we know Correa wants a lot of years and money beyond what anyone has yet to receive from the Crane ownership tenure. We also know Texas taxes are more favorable than California and New York. Everything else he says about Crane is just him playing hardball. He would be elated to stay in Houston if the money/years are there. He wants to win but he has to get his career deal. Enticing the Astros to chase only drives up his price for other suitors.
This post was edited on 10/14/21 at 8:55 am
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