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re: Dan Patrick is making Mark Emmert look like a clown right now.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:43 am to shel311
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:43 am to shel311
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And yet of all the millions made off of him only A&M(and the NCAA) got those profits. Not Manziel.
Of course. But being at a school like A&M has helped elevate his status (both in sports and in amrketing), and he can now take that and make millions for himself.
Also, Manziel made money off of himself while he was in school anyway.
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:45 am to CocomoLSU
quote:I did think about pointing that out
Also, Manziel made money off of himself while he was in school anyway.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:55 am to shel311
I actually listen to DP every morning cuz I have a desk job, when this subject is broached on an almost weekly basis he states he is against paying players like employees. He admits that a system like that wouldn't work due to the wide array of issues at play.
I think he was simply trying to get Emmert to admit that the current system is unfair. As a basic argument, DP is right in my opinion. Texas A&M banked of JFF's likeness and JFF faced potential sanctions for doing so.
I think he was simply trying to get Emmert to admit that the current system is unfair. As a basic argument, DP is right in my opinion. Texas A&M banked of JFF's likeness and JFF faced potential sanctions for doing so.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:00 pm to shel311
It's an internship
College athletes in no way get screwed
College athletes in no way get screwed
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:08 pm to Stingray
A three year internship you are forced to participate in, earn no money, and you and the other "interns" do about 90% of the work for the whole company,
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:12 pm to shel311
quote:
If you can't see all the reasons why a system set up for the climate at the time like 70 years ago is completely antiquated broken and needs complete revamping, I'm not sure what else to tell you.
What needs "revamping"? And what's broken?
CFB has never been more popular both attendence
wise and with TV revenue.
What exactly is broken? What,you feel the players are getting screwed and now the whole system needs to be "revamped"?
Will paying the players be your ultimate solution?
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:13 pm to tigerfan88
quote:And most importantly, the real separation from an actual intern, you are the actual product as well.
A three year internship you are forced to participate in, earn no money, and you and the other "interns" do about 90% of the work for the whole company
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:18 pm to RD Dawg
quote:What does that have to do with the athletes?
What needs "revamping"? And what's broken?
CFB has never been more popular both attendence
wise and with TV revenue
quote:It's a system put in place before this was a multi-billion industry. It makes no sense whatsoever to think that system then should keep the same model today.
What exactly is broken? What,you feel the players are getting screwed and now the whole system needs to be "revamped"?
You keep telling me how great everything is, and that's actually my point. CFB has never had more TV revenue than now, and yet the system in is based on when there was virtually no TV revenue, how does that make any sense?
quote:Why do you think this is becoming more of an issue every year, and teams are trying to unionize? And it'll only get worse.
What exactly is broken?
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:19 pm to shel311
can someone in this thread quantify how much money that Manziel received in the way of scholarship dollars, apparel, food, housing, etc? I'd really be interested in knowing his total compensation package for the 3 years he was a student at A&M.
Until someone can provide a full dollar amount for all of the compensation received, it's hard to determine whether it is fair or unfair for the players. Oh, also include any marketing dollars that A&M used to market Manziel. Everyone claims they are just making money off of him. But, people never mention how much they spent marketing him and putting him in position to be a multimillionaire.
Until someone can provide a full dollar amount for all of the compensation received, it's hard to determine whether it is fair or unfair for the players. Oh, also include any marketing dollars that A&M used to market Manziel. Everyone claims they are just making money off of him. But, people never mention how much they spent marketing him and putting him in position to be a multimillionaire.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:20 pm to Stingray
quote:
It's an internship
College athletes in no way get screwed
JMO
The prominent athletes who would benefit from the proposed ability to benefit from their own likenesses are about the only ones who are not getting screwed. They at least are on the verge of being paid very handsomely when they enter the NFL.
The athletes who are more average but take a physical beating are closer to the ones I feel some empathy for. They will pay a price down the road in terms of potential loss of brain function, joint issues, arthritis, and even probably premature death... but never get a big payday for their blood sweat and tears
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:21 pm to tigerfan88
Tuition, room, board, athletic gear, top of the line training, tutors. Lol at them not getting "paid".
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:23 pm to hashtag
quote:I never understood this logic. SO part of his payment is that some other organization may or may not pay him? What if he gets in a car accident right now and never makes an NFL roster, like a Chad Jones type. Lot of good and payment it did for him to be put in that position to be a millionaire.
But, people never mention how much they spent marketing him and putting him in position to be a multimillionaire.
I know there was a study or something done that said Manziel was basically worth something like $35mil worth of free advertising/marketing for A&M. So if you want to go that route and crunch all of those numbers, I think you'll find that he was grossly "underpaid".
Posted on 4/22/14 at 1:02 pm to tigerfan88
quote:
A three year internship you are forced to participate in
That's just not accurate
quote:
earn no money
...only as long as you decide to continue to engage in the agreement. You can opt out at any time and make money...you just can't do that while participating in the NCAA.
quote:
and you and the other "interns" do about 90% of the work for the whole company
If you think the current players are responsible for 90% of the product that NCAA football delivers, you are psychotic. The players are the most replaceable part of the NCAA. It happens every single year.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 1:05 pm to hashtag
quote:
Until someone can provide a full dollar amount for all of the compensation received, it's hard to determine whether it is fair or unfair for the players
You don't have to figure that out. All you have to know is that every year hundreds of thousands of scholarship athletes choose to freely engage in the contract.
And, those who decide that it is no longer in their best interest to do so, are freely capable of exiting the agreement at any point.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 2:14 pm to secondandshort
quote:
Tuition, room, board, athletic gear, top of the line training, tutors. Lol at them not getting "paid".
Sharecroppers got room, board, some clothes, and some meals while others got extremely rich off their hard work, too.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 3:11 pm to Sophandros
quote:
Sharecroppers got room, board, some clothes, and some meals while others got extremely rich off their hard work, too.
I'm surprised you didn't go all the way and refer to student athletes as slaves.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 3:37 pm to Sophandros
That happens everyday at every company in the world. Some company owner is making more than the people doing the actual work. Steve jobs made a crap load more than the people selling iPhones at the I store.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 3:41 pm to Sophandros
quote:
Sharecroppers got room, board, some clothes, and some meals while others got extremely rich off their hard work, too.
Oh boy
Posted on 4/22/14 at 4:00 pm to wildtigercat93
Sow where is the line drawn?
Is it just the "star" athletes?
Do athletes in every sport get paid?
Where is this money coming from?
Is it just the "star" athletes?
Do athletes in every sport get paid?
Where is this money coming from?
Posted on 4/22/14 at 4:21 pm to RD Dawg
quote:Sounds fine to me. Who am I to tell someone what they can or can't do with their money?
So you just want every college and their alumni base to have the ability to put unlimited funds in their players pockets?And you don't see anything wrong with that?
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