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re: Could in the prime Mike Tyson be unified world champ today?

Posted on 2/19/12 at 12:32 am to
Posted by Zamoro10
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Posted on 2/19/12 at 12:32 am to
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Jack Dempsey destroyed a 245 lb Jess Willard despite weighing 187 1bs


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The one legendary fighter that Tyson is most often compared to is Jack Dempsey who was one of his ring idols. Like Dempsey, Tyson was an aggressive bobbing and weaving perpetual motion machine that rushed his opponents from the opening bell. "Like Tyson, Dempsey fought out of a crouch, constantly moving in a bobbing and weaving fashion so taller men would be forced to punch down at a mobile target. Both learned to pressure their way inside and unleash furious volleys of head and body punches. Both ended a lot of fights early with devastating power." Tyson was a bigger, faster, stronger and more powerful version of Jack Dempsey. Famous trainer Angelo Dundee said after his fight with Trevor Berbick, “Tyson throws combinations I never saw before. When have you seen a guy throw a right hand to the kidney, come up the middle with an uppercut, then throw a left hook. He throws punches . . . like a trigger.”

The type of opponent who gives Tyson at his peak the most trouble are the bigger sized sluggers like Sonny Liston and George Foreman, or an exceptional quick handed out-boxer like Muhammad Ali. Foreman, in particular, is a bad match up for Tyson. Tyson used to watch the film of Frazier-Foreman (I) with his mentor Cus D'Amato, who had no idea Foreman could one day be a Tyson opponent. Cus used to tell Tyson that no heavyweight who ever lived could beat Foreman by going to him, and swarmers like Dempsey, Marciano, and Frazier couldn't beat him in a million years. Tyson never forgot it and when the opportunity came for them to fight in 1991 Tyson was not interested.

Tyson’s weaknesses as a fighter were not physical but rather were psychological. If Iron Mike could not intimidate his opponent he tended to fade as the bout progressed. He had a front-runner mentality and became frustrated if he could not gain control of the bout in the early rounds.
Posted by Jamohn
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Posted on 2/19/12 at 1:16 am to
I really wish this thread was going on when I was sober because this is my single favorite topic to discuss here. Unfortunately, I won't be able to clearly formulate thoughts.
This post was edited on 2/19/12 at 1:17 am
Posted by burgeman
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 2/19/12 at 9:16 am to
I ave my doubts with tyson fighting larger opponents, who was the biggest opponent he faced?
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 2/19/12 at 9:42 am to
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Honestly, those guys are just horrible matchups for Tyson. He'd throw a tantrum after just a couple of rounds of frustration.








I don't know. How mobile are they and how good are their jabs? I honestly don't really know?

If they can do neither well, Mike would cut them to pieces. Mike in his prime got inside on everybody and it was a bloodbath afer that. I can't see the Klitschko's stopping this.

I miss relevant boxing
Posted by Zamoro10
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 2/19/12 at 10:52 am to
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I ave my doubts with tyson fighting larger opponents, who was the biggest opponent he faced?


Tyson was 5' 10" and I think the tallest opponent a young Tyson faced was Eddie Richardson listed at 6' 6" and 6'4" (Mike Jameson) - Vlad is 6' 5.5" to 6'6" and Vitali is realistically 6'6" to 6'7" depending on who you believe.

Here's Tyson destroying big tall Eddie... Tyson vs. Richardson

This is probably the closest clip of Tyson fighting a tall gangly white guy... Tyson vs. Jameson

Washed up Tyson fought 6'6" Kevin McBride - LINK
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 2/19/12 at 12:00 pm to
Carl 'the Truth' Williams was pretty tall 6'4 or 6'5, and I don't think he even landed a punch on Tyson.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 2/19/12 at 12:48 pm to
Mike Tyson would never lose the title today at his best...
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 2/19/12 at 12:55 pm to
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Mike in his prime got inside on everybody and it was a bloodbath afer that. I can't see the Klitschko's stopping this.


In a war of attrition I'll take Vitali's chin over Tyson's everyday of the week and twice on Sindays
Posted by chalmetteowl
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Posted on 2/19/12 at 2:50 pm to
both Klitschkos are just lucky they're fighting in this era... and if we didn't have them you might as well shut down the sport
Posted by stapuffmarshy
lower 9
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Posted on 2/19/12 at 2:53 pm to
Mike Tyson focused and in his prime was one of the five baddest men to ever walk the earth



so yes is the only answer
Posted by dukke v
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Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 2/19/12 at 3:09 pm to
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Mike Tyson focused and in his prime was one of the five baddest men to ever walk the earth



I agree with this. So many gifts and to many self-imposed bad acts.
Posted by Tactical1
Denham Springs
Member since May 2010
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Posted on 2/19/12 at 3:19 pm to
Yes he could.
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
44914 posts
Posted on 2/19/12 at 5:43 pm to
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both Klitschkos are just lucky they're fighting in this era...


I don't believe the Klitschkos or Tyson are among the greatest 5 Heavyweights of all-time.
Posted by Zamoro10
Member since Jul 2008
14743 posts
Posted on 2/19/12 at 6:05 pm to
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I don't believe the Klitschkos or Tyson are among the greatest 5 Heavyweights of all-time.


I don't think anybody puts them in the Top 10 and Tyson might barely crack the Top 10 in a few lists.
Posted by Ambassador
West Monroe, LA
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 2/19/12 at 6:56 pm to
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...in fact it was the HW division that felt mediocre until Tyson burst on the scene.


that is why I never thought Tyson was as good as some people thought, even in his prime. He did not fight anyone worth mentioning until Holyfield. Even Douglas was not that great. Holyfield, who was a bulked up light heavy weight made Tyson look like an amatuer.

But with that said, I have not followed boxing since that era so I know nothing of the fighters that are being discussed so my post is probably meaningless.
Posted by Marciano1
Marksville, LA
Member since Jun 2009
20042 posts
Posted on 2/19/12 at 7:10 pm to
here we go with the mighty overrated Mike Tyson. People sometimes forget that 98% of "prime" Mike's opponents were tomato cans.
Posted by Unbiased Bama Fan
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 2/19/12 at 7:29 pm to
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here we go with the mighty overrated Mike Tyson. People sometimes forget that 98% of "prime" Mike's opponents were tomato cans.


Than what do you call the opponents the Klitschkos have fought? The best boxer either of them has fought was a fat and out of shape 38-year-old Lennox Lewis in his final career fight.
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
44914 posts
Posted on 2/19/12 at 7:56 pm to
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here we go with the mighty overrated Mike Tyson. People sometimes forget that 98% of "prime" Mike's opponents were tomato cans.


Tyson & Holyfield= 2 of the greatest heavyweight boxers of all-time

Combined they beat-
Buster Douglas
George Foreman
Riddick Bowe
John Ruiz
Larry Holmes
Hasim Rahman
Michael Moore
Mike Tyson
Ray Mercer
Alex Stewart

&

Michael Spinks
Posted by Zamoro10
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 2/19/12 at 8:03 pm to
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Than what do you call the opponents the Klitschkos have fought? The best boxer either of them has fought was a fat and out of shape 38-year-old Lennox Lewis in his final career fight.


And Tyson fought a 39-year-old Holmes who came out of retirement for a payday. And he lasted 4 rounds...in 1988 - back when Tyson was invincible. Tyson turned pro in 1985...Holmes turned pro in 1973.

In terms of posterity...Holmes and Holyfield would be Tyson's signature wins...but Holmes was old and fat...and Tyson lost twice to Holyfield.
This post was edited on 2/19/12 at 8:06 pm
Posted by ottothewise
Member since Sep 2008
32094 posts
Posted on 2/19/12 at 8:07 pm to
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That was not a prime Mike tyson in the douglas fight. He had a bunch of bums in his corner, with Don King running the show.


you are making excuses for a knock out. the cornermen did not have to do anything. no cuts, no swollen face. just get him off the floor after.

Buster Douglas nailed him. He never impressed, after that.
He bit someone's ear. theatrical.

I think we can infer from his career that he would not have fared well in ANY era.

He was a big hitter. Ok. That's all.

He never impressed with boxing skills or fancy footwork or ANYTHING but the BOOM!!

one trick pony.


Ingmar Johannson was also a one trick pony. BOOM hitter with no skills.
This post was edited on 2/19/12 at 8:11 pm
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