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re: Could in the prime Mike Tyson be unified world champ today?
Posted on 2/19/12 at 8:09 pm to Zamoro10
Posted on 2/19/12 at 8:09 pm to Zamoro10
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In terms of posterity...Holmes and Holyfield would be Tyson's signature wins...but Holmes was old and fat...and Tyson lost twice to Holyfield.
Michael Spinks is Tyson's best win. Spinks is a much better boxer than anybody either of the Klitschkos has ever beaten.
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Posted on 2/19/12 at 8:11 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
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Michael Spinks is Tyson's best win.
frick no
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Spinks is a much better boxer than anybody either of the Klitschkos has ever beaten
not as a damn heavyweight he wasn't
It's actually probably Razor Ruduck(?) twice.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 8:11 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
And that's sort of sad for Tyson.
Like I said, he really needed to beat someone like a younger Holmes or at the very least beat Evander.
Like I said, he really needed to beat someone like a younger Holmes or at the very least beat Evander.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 8:33 pm to Hot Carl
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Michael Spinks is Tyson's best win. frick no
yes it was
Spinks= 32-1
Olympic Gold Medal 1976
LHeavyWeight Champ. 1981-
HeavyWeight Champ. 1985-1988
Spinks lost one pro fight in his life, & it was to Tyson.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 8:38 pm to Zamoro10
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Holmes and Holyfield would be Tyson's signature wins...
Holyfield would be Tyson signature win, if it would have happened,
but Holyfield beat him twice by KO
This post was edited on 2/19/12 at 8:40 pm
Posted on 2/19/12 at 8:40 pm to burgeman
Tyson was a completely different fighter when he was coming up the ranks. He actually tried to get out of the way of punches and reply with bombs. That said, the Kitcho bros and Lennox Lewis def. are the type of fighters that gave him trouble and all 3 are more skilled at doing just what gave him trouble then anyone he fought in his prime sans an over the hill Larry Holmes.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 8:46 pm to Palm Beach Tiger
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Palm Beach Tiger
has it really been a 1/2 dozen years since we have debated this?
Posted on 2/19/12 at 9:24 pm to TigerintheNO
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yes it was
no, it really wasn't. Michael Spinks was a great boxer. Michael Spinks was not a great Heavyweight. And was beat before the fight ever started. He was a chicken shite looking for a big payday and basically bent over and let Tyson frick him in the arse for a second before taking a dive. Nothing impressive about that win at all for Tyson except the intimidation.
There are several dudes Tyson beat that would have fricked Spinks up as a Heavyweight.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 9:29 pm to Hot Carl
That may be true...but we're talking about posterity (at least I was) name guys.
From that 15 year period (discounting Lennox Lewis) there's only 3 guys anyone is talking about in the HW division...Holmes, Tyson and Holyfield. Holmes was old and Holyfield beat him...those would have been his two biggest name victories when judging all-time HW. Spinks (sadly) is probably the third biggest name HW...and the only real victory - if you want to call it that - Spinks did beat Holmes twice.
From that 15 year period (discounting Lennox Lewis) there's only 3 guys anyone is talking about in the HW division...Holmes, Tyson and Holyfield. Holmes was old and Holyfield beat him...those would have been his two biggest name victories when judging all-time HW. Spinks (sadly) is probably the third biggest name HW...and the only real victory - if you want to call it that - Spinks did beat Holmes twice.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 9:32 pm to Hot Carl
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Michael Spinks was a great boxer. Michael Spinks was not a great Heavyweight. And was beat before the fight ever started. He was a chicken shite looking for a big payday and basically bent over and let Tyson frick him in the arse for a second before taking a dive. Nothing impressive about that win at all for Tyson except the intimidation.
I agree, so who was the next best fighter Tyson beat??
Larry Holmes? The fighter Spinks beat twice?
Posted on 2/19/12 at 9:37 pm to Zamoro10
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Holmes was old and Holyfield beat him
Holmes was 43 years old and went the distance with Evander Holyfield.
George Foreman also went the distance with Holyfield as well. Boxing might be the only sport where the quality of its top athletes has gone down dramatically over the years.Posted on 2/19/12 at 9:52 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
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Holmes was 43 years old and went the distance with Evander Holyfield. George Foreman also went the distance with Holyfield as well.
fighting against -
Larry Holmes/George Foreman/Mike Tyson/Lennox Lewis he had 6 fights & lost once.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 10:12 pm to TigerintheNO
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fighting against -
Larry Holmes/George Foreman/Mike Tyson/Lennox Lewis he had 6 fights & lost once.
Holmes was 43, Foreman was 42, and Lewis got robbed in the first fight and won the second. The two fights against Tyson and the second fight against Bowe are the only good wins on Holyfield's heavyweight resume. If you add in how good he was at Cruiserweight, his resume is still good enough to make him a top 40 boxer of all-time but I have a hard time putting him as a top 10 all-time heavyweight.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 10:17 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
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Holmes was 43 years old and went the distance with Evander Holyfield. George Foreman also went the distance with Holyfield
I have a lot of respect for Holyfield moving up as cruiserweight and the way he fought but the guy lacked power. Forget KO's, he rarely knocked down heavyweights.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 10:20 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
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have a hard time putting him as a top 10 all-time heavyweight.
who are the 10 boxers you have ahead of him?
Posted on 2/19/12 at 10:21 pm to TigerintheNO
Muhammad Ali
Joe Louis
Jack Johnson
Jack Dempsey
Rocky Marciano
George Foreman
Larry Holmes
Joe Frazier
Lennox Lewis
Sonny Liston
Joe Louis
Jack Johnson
Jack Dempsey
Rocky Marciano
George Foreman
Larry Holmes
Joe Frazier
Lennox Lewis
Sonny Liston
Posted on 2/19/12 at 10:24 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
that was quick
my top 5-
Joe Louis (1936-1948 didn't lose a fight)
M. Ali
Marciano
Holyfield
Foreman
next 5-
J Johnson
M Tyson
J Dempsey
L Holmes
E Charles
my top 5-
Joe Louis (1936-1948 didn't lose a fight)
M. Ali
Marciano
Holyfield
Foreman
next 5-
J Johnson
M Tyson
J Dempsey
L Holmes
E Charles
This post was edited on 2/19/12 at 10:50 pm
Posted on 2/19/12 at 10:37 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
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Muhammad Ali
Joe Louis
Jack Johnson
Jack Dempsey
Rocky Marciano
George Foreman
Larry Holmes
Joe Frazier
Lennox Lewis
Sonny Liston
I would put Tyson out of the top 10 too but put Holyfield just inside the Top 10...he has a pretty good overall resume...and he beat a better Tyson than Lennox did (I was never a fan or sold on Lewis.)
Posted on 2/19/12 at 11:28 pm to burgeman
The Mike Tyson with his original team when he started could have dominated in just about any era.
The death of his mentor and signing with Don King was his downfall.
The death of his mentor and signing with Don King was his downfall.
Posted on 2/20/12 at 2:01 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
Both Klitschkos would take Tyson apart. Wlad could get knocked out, but Vitali would just laugh and beat Tyson into a bloody pulp. Tyson would be eating those jabs all night and would never get close enough to land one of his bombs. If he did, they would just lean on him.
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