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re: Colorado and Deion: You know it's bad when you've lost Joel Klatt
Posted on 10/17/23 at 1:51 pm to Hot Carl
Posted on 10/17/23 at 1:51 pm to Hot Carl
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There is just zero chance that a competent P5 coaching staff are not using analytics on some level in 2023.
Then he needs to fire his analytics guy. They went for it on 4th up 29-0 to open the second half. And then later went for it on 4th again.
So, no I don’t believe they are using analytics to any significant level. And if they are, then Deion is overruling it regularly.
Regarding their coaching staff, outside of Sean Lewis, I believe every assistant is a reach at the P5 level.
Why do you think it’s a special staff?
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Your hatred of Deion’s theatrics (which is valid) has warped you into thinking he’s some sort of imbecile.
I like substance over flash. Deion has no substance and it’s showing.
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Posted on 10/17/23 at 2:03 pm to QJenk
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Do you feel this same way about Jimbo Fisher, Dabo Swinney, or Bear Bryant?
The fact that he wants to be referred to as "Coach" Prime is douchier than just the fact that he wants to be referred to as his nickname.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 2:27 pm to inadaze
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Read the link. You don't realize how...ironic your post is. (The analytics show that teams who are on defense first lose more often.)
Does that factor in multiple OTs? Do teams who take the ball in the 1st OT win more in the 2nd OT when they have to play defense first? The link doesn't say.
It seems like there are extra variables which would be interesting to look at, particularly since OT is now basically a crapshoot starting in the 3rd OT. It seems like the analytics wouldn't matter at that point.
Worth noting the article is about Dana Holgorsen, who is 1-3 in OT the last 2 seasons getting the ball first.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 2:32 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Deion is the cargo cult of coaches. He puts on a headset therefore he thinks he's a coach and everyone plays along with the charade. Meanwhile, thousands of coaches across the country spend countless hours a day for decades working to get the opportunity that was just handed to him for no reason beyond him being famous & talking alot of shite.
Im also glad another poster brought the fact that grownup professional men are calling him Coach Prime like he's Prince or 50 Cent. Its so fn stupid & says so much about where we are at in mainstream society.
Im also glad another poster brought the fact that grownup professional men are calling him Coach Prime like he's Prince or 50 Cent. Its so fn stupid & says so much about where we are at in mainstream society.
This post was edited on 10/17/23 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 10/17/23 at 2:50 pm to H-Town Tiger
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A legit gripe about Deion the coach in that game is the decision to go on offense first in OT. This is one of the rare incidents, maybe the only incident in football where the old school “gut feel”’guys AND the analytics guys agree
But it could be more than just a singular “legit gripe,”‘it could be an indication of things to come.
He obviously heard the criticism of his decision to take the ball 1st in OT against Colorado State. It was muffled because they wound up winning and had to come back and all the other things that went on. But it was there. And him doing it again was basically him doubling down and being defiant towards the criticism. Or rather the critics.
He was too proud admit he made a mistake against CSU, which winning the toss and taking the ball 2nd against Stanford would have done. And it’s beyond obvious that that hubris could lead to his eventual downfall. Or prevent him from rising to the top—whatever standard you use to define that—in the 1st place.
And I use the word “hubris” not to sound smart or to parrot the thousands of who’ve probably used it already to describe him, but because he’s so over-the-top that the potential Greek tragedy-ness of it all is almost impossible to ignore. It’s so in-your-face obvious how it’s set up, that we actually get to watch it play out in real time, when typically these things are only able to be seen in retrospect. Which I think is pretty fascinating.
I’m not rooting for or against Deion. He’s been in my life too long to move me one way or another as long as it doesn’t directly affect LSU. And I’m not predicting his success or failure. I will push back against those who think he cant be successful, though. I think he absolutely can. Will he be committed long enough and can he be humble enough to learn and grow will be the main questions that ultimately decide his fate.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 2:58 pm to AlterDWI
Not responding to you directly just responding to thread in general.
Deion is about hyping himself first, always the case his entire life.
Then hyping his sons 2nd, but still wants to help them as much as possible.
Aside: QB Sanders is not that good and I believe before the Stanford game he was already behind about 8-9 guys in Heisman odds, but not exactly sure. CU was expected to whip Stanford. His odds were gonna to be about the ranked teams remaining
Last, why would you play Hunter who was in his first game back after 3 weeks off as much as Deion did? I didn't see 2nd half, but it seemed that a few analyst thought Hunter was completely gassed late 2nd half and OT and why he was burned so badly at CB.
Deion trying to force feed his QB son to prop him up for the pros and playing Hunter as much as he did was some serious selfish look at me shite.
Deion is about hyping himself first, always the case his entire life.
Then hyping his sons 2nd, but still wants to help them as much as possible.
Aside: QB Sanders is not that good and I believe before the Stanford game he was already behind about 8-9 guys in Heisman odds, but not exactly sure. CU was expected to whip Stanford. His odds were gonna to be about the ranked teams remaining
Last, why would you play Hunter who was in his first game back after 3 weeks off as much as Deion did? I didn't see 2nd half, but it seemed that a few analyst thought Hunter was completely gassed late 2nd half and OT and why he was burned so badly at CB.
Deion trying to force feed his QB son to prop him up for the pros and playing Hunter as much as he did was some serious selfish look at me shite.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 3:05 pm to Taurus
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Hunter as much as he did was some serious selfish look at me shite
Not to mention, this is after Deion made a big deal about Hunter wanting to come back early but he loves & cares abiut Hunter so much that he didnt want to risk him getting injured any further.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 3:15 pm to nvasil1
All analytics and statistics have to be put context, and there are always different ways to look at the numbers. On the time frames Houston researched, teams on offense first won more. If you go back further and set a time frame, you'll find teams on defense won more.
Pick a time frame and research it if you want to get into multiple overtimes.
In my view, you use analytics as part of your process of making decisions, but it's a mistake to be completely bound to analytics.
You can have page after page of data about all 133 FBS teams, but that may not really be applicable to team X in a given circumstance. You've got to be able to adapt, and make decisions apt to the circumstances.
Pick a time frame and research it if you want to get into multiple overtimes.
In my view, you use analytics as part of your process of making decisions, but it's a mistake to be completely bound to analytics.
You can have page after page of data about all 133 FBS teams, but that may not really be applicable to team X in a given circumstance. You've got to be able to adapt, and make decisions apt to the circumstances.
This post was edited on 10/17/23 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 10/17/23 at 3:23 pm to Hot Carl
I agree with your assessment. Anyone that says he’s not competent is just wish casting because they hate him.
Going back to his playing days he created this alter ego “Prime Time” to market himself, he after all played a position that doesn’t usually become a star, and consequently a lot of people thought he was a show off and selfish and didn’t work hard etc, but he was a elite (maybe even the GOAT) lock down CB.
Now I don’t know that he can approach that level as a coach, but can he be successful and a good coach? I think so
Going back to his playing days he created this alter ego “Prime Time” to market himself, he after all played a position that doesn’t usually become a star, and consequently a lot of people thought he was a show off and selfish and didn’t work hard etc, but he was a elite (maybe even the GOAT) lock down CB.
Now I don’t know that he can approach that level as a coach, but can he be successful and a good coach? I think so
Posted on 10/17/23 at 3:39 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Anyone that says he’s not competent is just wish casting because they hate him.
That's a pretty shitty, and lazy, either/or argument.
Joel Klatt just eviscerated his coaching in about 20 different ways, and he's the biggest Deion fan on the planet.
I can name 10 things he's done this season that high school coaches know not to do.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 3:45 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
How many "good coaches" play their star player 157 snaps after coming off a lacerated liver 
Posted on 10/17/23 at 3:56 pm to AlterDWI
Hunter had a great game on offense, but was horrible on defense, allowing 11 receptions, for 158 yards, and 2 TD’s as a CB, mostly in the second half when he was gassed.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 4:00 pm to Dawgsontop34
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I’ve listened to Joel Klatt call their games and I feel like he keeps it pretty real. Sure there’s some bias, like Herbstreit has calling OSU games or McElroy with Bama games, but I don’t feel like he’s been some huge Deion cheerleader.
He does a good job of being unbiased calling their games, but he was instrumental in hiring Deion. Colorado was at rock bottom, and they needed more than just a good coach.
Klatt felt they needed a Hail Mary type hire that would bring some excitement and hope into the program. So, he might do a good job of hiding it, but Klatt is deeply invested in the Deion hire. His criticism isn’t from an outsider, or someone with no vested interest in their success.
I’m surprised one of Deion’s biggest cheerleaders behind the scenes has brought his criticisms and frustrations into the public domain.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 4:04 pm to Ghost of Colby
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I’m surprised one of Deion’s biggest cheerleaders behind the scenes has brought his criticisms and frustrations into the public domain.
Which is exactly why I posted it, because he's an insider. This isn't normal criticism.
But still, people are brushing it off as "haters"
If everyone that criticizes you is a hater, then you are shielded from all criticism, I guess.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 4:06 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
They play like a team who would all leave their school tomorrow if the coach transferred.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 4:47 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
klatt will be called a racist by snow flake race
Posted on 10/17/23 at 5:14 pm to WG_Dawg
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stop calling yourself a nickname like you're a little kid playing make believe.
Why not, he is literally pretending to be a coach.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 5:58 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Based on what? Serious question.
He’s done well everywhere he’s coached so far?
Posted on 10/17/23 at 6:05 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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If everyone that criticizes you is a hater, then you are shielded from all criticism, I guess.
“Hater” is a term used by people too thin skinned or too stupid to acknowledge legitimate criticism.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 6:14 pm to sorantable
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He’s done well everywhere he’s coached so far?
He’s in year 1 of his second job.
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