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re: Chris Paul is part of the problem
Posted on 12/15/09 at 2:43 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 12/15/09 at 2:43 pm to Lester Earl
quote:he gets about 10 assists a game by david west shooting a jump shot or Peja draining a 3. Doesnt mean he moves the ball around. Paul is a great passer, im not trying to disrespect him.
and how does one dribble and shoot a contested jumper at the end of the shot clock, yet average 14 assists per game?
But the ESPN dude does have a little bit of a point. CP does try to do a little bit too much. I wouldnt mind the offense moving around more. And then after it moves around a little bit, if nothing happens and there is time left on the shot clock, get CP the ball up top and let him do work son. Much better than holding the ball up top for 15 seconds(occasional pass to DWest and back to CP) and then shooting a hard contested shot. Yes, he makes it a good bit of the time, but you gotta get more peeps involved. I mean shite...they know what CP is about to do when he holds the ball like that.
Props to Darrius Songailia BTW...dudes been a beast at backup PF/C for the bees all year long. And...he can shoot like a mother fricker. It might take him a good bit to set the shot up, but if hes open, he lights that fricker up!
This post was edited on 12/15/09 at 2:45 pm
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Posted on 12/15/09 at 2:44 pm to Ghazi
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GHAZI
he has arisen.
Posted on 12/15/09 at 3:01 pm to theunknownknight
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Assists are the most overrated stat in the NBA.
you are clueless about basketball, as usual.
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It is the easiest stat to inflate due big time players holding on to the ball and passing to a teammate as the time clock expires forcing a shot.
easy to inflate??
the guy has to make the shot for it to be an assist
Chris Paul sets up his teammates better than any player in the league.
he made West and Tyson Chandler respectable NBA players.
he make the whole team better
the team played well with out him considering what they were working with, but people are getting too caught up with the "our scrubs against the world" mentality. Its really being magnified in this instance.
Posted on 12/15/09 at 3:34 pm to Lester Earl
It has nothing to do with scrubs, or the world. It has to do with the 1st team looking exactly like it did before they fired Scott. You can see the difference within a single game, it happened last night when we were down 38-18 at the end of the first quarter, and then Bower changed the lineup up and they closed the gap. He needs to change the starting lineup up, the problem is them forcing the post play to West. He's just not shooting well enough right now for the offense to be running through that play. Go back to what they were doing when CP3 was out, keep running and pushing.
Posted on 12/15/09 at 3:39 pm to TulaneTigerFan
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I pull for winners.
TulaneTigerFan
Posted on 12/15/09 at 3:47 pm to Lefebvre
The Hornets might as well move away with him if they trade CP3. The franchise is done in New Orleans for all intents and purposes if they trade him.
This post was edited on 12/15/09 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 12/15/09 at 3:49 pm to kfizzle85
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It has to do with the 1st team looking exactly like it did before they fired Scott.
the offense looked like that at times when CP3 was out
was not exactly a well oiled machine
you cant score score score run run run run all the time. It just doesnt work that way.
we're 3-2 since he's been back, should have beaten NYK and last night had Dallas on the ropes. They arent exactly playing bad. Once he eases back in and is fully comfortable, the offense should run as well as it has all season
Posted on 12/15/09 at 4:19 pm to Lester Earl
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Paul is our best scorer. I have no problem with him trying to score when needed. After all he is like a 50% career shooter from the field....that doesnt exactly hurt the team. And this year he is shooting 53 fricking percent. 53%!!!!!!! He's 6 foot nothing
He was shooting 60% so through the first 9 games pre injury
Since his return hes shooting around 40%
Posted on 12/15/09 at 4:54 pm to Lester Earl
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the offense looked like that at times when CP3 was out
Nah man, you must be watching a different team. DC wasn't isolating and then just dumping to whatever dude was standing on the 3 line, people were cutting and moving. The offense bogged down when people just went cold or Bobby Brown was forced to play a lot.
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u cant score score score run run run run all the time. It just doesnt work that way.
I didn't say that, I said that they need to move more, like they were doing before. That doesn't necessarily mean play like the Suns and scream up the court, it does mean not just play iso and dump it to your struggling PF though.
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we're 3-2 since he's been back, should have beaten NYK and last night had Dallas on the ropes. They arent exactly playing bad. Once he eases back in and is fully comfortable, the offense should run as well as it has all season
I don't disagree with that. I don't think his ankle is fully healed yet, the 4th quarter last night was the first time he really drove to the hoop and started making those ridiculous plays we're all used to seeing him make.
Posted on 12/15/09 at 5:12 pm to kfizzle85
Lester most these guys have NO CLUE!!!!! Paul is a top 5 player in the league. Besides West he has 0 help none at all and I think he makes west look what he did when Paul was out. If Ast are so easy why do only a few avg double figures? The Hornets want be good unless they get Paul some help like some that can score.
Posted on 12/15/09 at 5:16 pm to Lester Earl
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easy to inflate??
Yes. It is not a difficult concept. If you hold the ball 90% of the time you are either going to shoot it, our pass it to be shot, therefore points go up and the total team assists are then put more on one person therefore "inflating" their assist count. Teams are going to score roughly 100 points. Whoever makes that last little pass gets the cherished and almighty assist.
When Paul was out the team had the same amount of assists but they were spread out among the players. This indicates more ball movement.
Posted on 12/15/09 at 5:17 pm to theunknownknight
And I DO believe Paul is a top 5 player (if not higher), but facts are facts.
Posted on 12/15/09 at 5:21 pm to TulaneTigerFan
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Time to trade him
I had a dream last night that CP3 was playing for the Lakers, and had changed his number to 2.
Coincidence?
Posted on 12/15/09 at 8:10 pm to lsucub57
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Lester most these guys have NO CLUE!!!!! Paul is a top 5 player in the league
Chris Paul hasn't been a top 10 player in the league since last March.
Prior to whatever has changed since then he was easily a top 5 player.
You guys who are just blindly continuing to say that he's still as amazing as he was in 2006-early 2009 obviously aren't watching the same team that I am.
I'm flat out saying that we were as good or better with Collison running the point as we have been since CP3's return from injury. I get that he's still a little knicked up, but Collison was working the offense better than CP3 has been. I KNOW THIS WILL CHANGE - sooner rather than later. But since his return he's been good not great.
This post was edited on 12/15/09 at 8:13 pm
Posted on 12/15/09 at 8:56 pm to ezride25
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I had a dream last night that CP3 was playing for the Lakers, and had changed his number to 2.
Could never happen.
Fisher is number 2 for LA.
I've only watched a couple of the games since CP3 has been back, but to me it looks like a big part of the problem isn't CP, it's the rest of the team. Whenever he's in the game, the rest of the guys in always seem to just stand there and wait for CP to make something happen instead of making cuts and moving around like they did when CP was out.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 12:58 am to cajuntiger33
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Could never happen. Fisher is number 2 for LA.
Uh not if Fisher was part of the deal.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 1:03 am to Ryan3232
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CP does try to do a little bit too much. I wouldnt mind the offense moving around more. And then after it moves around a little bit, if nothing happens and there is time left on the shot clock, get CP the ball up top and let him do work son. Much better than holding the ball up top for 15 seconds(occasional pass to DWest and back to CP) and then shooting a hard contested shot
Granted, I don't get to watch many, well pretty much any, Hornets games, but this sounds like coaching is the problem and not Paul.
If Paul is dribbling around for 15 seconds and they aren't actually running plays, and this is happening over and over, then it's quite obvious that is a coaching decision.
I highly doubt the coaches are calling plays and Paul just ignores them and dribbles around every possession with no repurcussions, lol.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 1:09 am to shel311
Sounds like Mike Brown and the infamous Le-iso 4th quarter offense
Posted on 12/16/09 at 1:10 am to TulaneTigerFan
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Sounds like Mike Brown and the infamous Le-iso 4th quarter offense
That is exactly what it sounds like.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 9:02 am to shel311
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Granted, I don't get to watch many, well pretty much any, Hornets games, but this sounds like coaching is the problem and not Paul.
If Paul is dribbling around for 15 seconds and they aren't actually running plays, and this is happening over and over, then it's quite obvious that is a coaching decision.
I highly doubt the coaches are calling plays and Paul just ignores them and dribbles around every possession with no repurcussions, lol.
Expect that we fired our coach, he got hurt and the offense changed, and now he's back and the offense is regressing back to that. Far be it from me to defend the Walrus/Floyd two-headed monster, and I'm not, but since he's been back, the 1st team offense has clearly regressed back to this. Even though people keep reading this as some sort of indictment of Chris Paul, its not, its simply identifying a team issue early on and speculating on how/why and how/why to fix it. If it continues for another 5 games, then I'll be worried.
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