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re: CFB teams robbed of a National Title
Posted on 11/11/20 at 11:59 am to Ross
Posted on 11/11/20 at 11:59 am to Ross
Auburn did finish ranked ahead of them, though i guess no one really cares about 3rd vs 5th. Only other ranked wins Texas had were SMU and OU (OU fell out of final poll but it was only a top 20).
I hope this doesn't sound like semantics, but I'm actually not opposed to the idea Auburn should have been the MNC that year but i can't agree they got "screwed" if that makes sense.
1983 is really a fascinating year. Nebraska was probably the best team (though their resume was nothing special either) they probably beat Miami by 2 TDs anywhere but the Orange Bowl. Of course they could have just kicked the PAT and won it (We know what Pat Dye would have done
) i know a lot of people admired Osborne for that but its really pretty stupid, not his fault CFB had no OT.
And then there's UGA 10-1-1 finished #4, without Herschel who went to the USFL otherwise he would have been back for his Sr year. Would he have been the difference in a 6 point game? He definitely puts the career rushing record out of reach. Undefeated or even 10-0-1 UGA wins it.
I hope this doesn't sound like semantics, but I'm actually not opposed to the idea Auburn should have been the MNC that year but i can't agree they got "screwed" if that makes sense.
1983 is really a fascinating year. Nebraska was probably the best team (though their resume was nothing special either) they probably beat Miami by 2 TDs anywhere but the Orange Bowl. Of course they could have just kicked the PAT and won it (We know what Pat Dye would have done
) i know a lot of people admired Osborne for that but its really pretty stupid, not his fault CFB had no OT. And then there's UGA 10-1-1 finished #4, without Herschel who went to the USFL otherwise he would have been back for his Sr year. Would he have been the difference in a 6 point game? He definitely puts the career rushing record out of reach. Undefeated or even 10-0-1 UGA wins it.
This post was edited on 11/11/20 at 12:15 pm
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Posted on 11/11/20 at 12:15 pm to H-Town Tiger
Common opponent isn't everything, but 1983 Miami got whupped 28-3 by a Florida team that Auburn beat. Not many good teams on Miami's regular season schedule. And their crazy one pt win over Nebraska was played on their home field
Posted on 11/11/20 at 12:18 pm to TexasTiger08
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This is similar to the crowd who loves 2000 Miami, but won’t mention the same Washington team that beat the Canes.
Washington was no where near a top 5 team in 2000: seven wins by only one score and mostly at home. They did keep both Miami and Oregon State out of the BCS though.
Posted on 11/11/20 at 12:33 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Question for all those saying Auburn 2004. Who should have been left out? And whoever it was would be here saying they were screwed
Oklahoma was fortunate to escape two very mediocre teams late in 2004: A&M and Okie State. LSU was Auburn's only single-score win before the Sugar Bowl
This post was edited on 11/11/20 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 11/11/20 at 12:42 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Digging deeper into this game, how was Florida St. somehow a 16.5 point favorite against an undefeated Nebraska team?
I remember watching this game in my room on a small black and white portable TV. Nebraska had a punt return TD taken back on a penalty in the 1st quarter. But replay showed no block in the back. The game is 7-6 until the 3rd quarter when Florida St. scored a TD. Floyd fumbles before crossing the goal line, but the refs miss it.
With just over a minute left in the game, Nebraska kicks a FG to lead 16-15. But the ensuing kickoff goes out of bounds giving Florida St. good field position. They quickly drive downfield and kick a FG to lead 18-16 with 29 seconds left. But Florida St. gets called for an excessive celebration penalty. Nebraska starts their last drive on their own 43. In the waning seconds, Frazier completes a long pass to the Florida St. 28 yard line. But time runs out. Or so it appears. Refs rule Bell down with a second left. Nebraska attempts a 45 yard FG, but miss. What a wild ending that game was.
I remember watching this game in my room on a small black and white portable TV. Nebraska had a punt return TD taken back on a penalty in the 1st quarter. But replay showed no block in the back. The game is 7-6 until the 3rd quarter when Florida St. scored a TD. Floyd fumbles before crossing the goal line, but the refs miss it.
With just over a minute left in the game, Nebraska kicks a FG to lead 16-15. But the ensuing kickoff goes out of bounds giving Florida St. good field position. They quickly drive downfield and kick a FG to lead 18-16 with 29 seconds left. But Florida St. gets called for an excessive celebration penalty. Nebraska starts their last drive on their own 43. In the waning seconds, Frazier completes a long pass to the Florida St. 28 yard line. But time runs out. Or so it appears. Refs rule Bell down with a second left. Nebraska attempts a 45 yard FG, but miss. What a wild ending that game was.
Posted on 11/11/20 at 12:54 pm to Mithridates6
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Common opponent isn't everything, but 1983 Miami got whupped 28-3 by a Florida team that Auburn beat. Not many good teams on Miami's regular season schedule. And their crazy one pt win over Nebraska was played on their home field
Auburn definitely has the resume over Miami and I think NU beats Miami anywhere else. But NU was thought of as a GOAT team at the time, the steamrolled pretty much everyone starting with #4 reigning NC Penn State (the 2 Oklahoma teams were only close games) so beating them combined with Auburn's extremely lackluster win over Michigan (who didn't even drop after loss) killed Auburn. It really sucks for Auburn, they have terrible luck in these things as opposed to the other team in that state who has gotten ridiculous luck sometimes.
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Washington was no where near a top 5 team in 2000: seven wins by only one score and mostly at home.
Washington was in fact a top 5 team number of close wins is irrelevant, they only lost 1 and that was close at a ranked 10 win Oregon.
The argument for 2000 Miami over them however is a lot easier than 83 Auburn over Texas. The game was also early, but more importantly it was on the road (and the longest possible road trip without leaving the continental US to boot) and arguably their best player, Santana Moss was hurt and it was only a 5 point loss.
Posted on 11/11/20 at 12:58 pm to CRDNLSCHMCPSN11
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how was Florida St. somehow a 16.5 point favorite against an undefeated Nebraska team?
prior to that Nebraska was routinely getting boat raced by Miami/FSU in the Orange Bowl so the line was inflated.
Posted on 11/11/20 at 1:08 pm to H-Town Tiger
I agree with most of this, but there's a good reason Washington ranked much lower than the other contenders that year in formulas; their record was fluky. Oregon State was the best Pac 10 team but they missed a FG at the end in Seattle. Miami and FSU were about equal, so I'd give the nod to the head to head winner.
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It was also Ken Dorsey's first road start. If the game lasted a couple minutes longer Miami likely wins.
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it was on the road (and the longest possible road trip without leaving the continental US to boot) and arguably their best player, Santana Moss was hurt and it was only a 5 point loss.
It was also Ken Dorsey's first road start. If the game lasted a couple minutes longer Miami likely wins.
Posted on 11/11/20 at 1:12 pm to Mithridates6
Bama this year
Posted on 11/11/20 at 2:06 pm to Mithridates6
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but there's a good reason Washington ranked much lower than the other contenders that year in formulas;
sure, they were properly ranked imo. They did have 2 top 4 wins and their only loss as to #7 Oregon but beyond those 3 the Pac10 was bad and since they were in lot of close games they should not have been over Miami despited the head to head win.
Posted on 11/11/20 at 4:08 pm to H-Town Tiger
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It really sucks for Auburn, they have terrible luck in these things as opposed to the other team in that state who has gotten ridiculous luck sometimes.
well that's definitely the truth
We also went undefeated in 1993 and beat SEC champion Florida in so doing and have no hardware thanks to probation
it's a hard knock life sometimes
This post was edited on 11/11/20 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 11/11/20 at 4:12 pm to S
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Aub 2004 probably deserved a shot at the title but were they beating usc? Likely not especially given they played the previous two seasons with sc winning both.
I mean the 2002 game was at least close, and the 2004 Auburn team was way better the 2003 version, but you are probably right that the 23-0 beating from 2003 is a big reason Auburn got left out, fair or not.
2004 USC and 2004 Auburn both played VT and both games were competitive.
Auburn had a fighter's chance I think. Might not have won, but I don't know I know it's a totally different situation but in 2013 many people just assumed FSU was going to steamroll Auburn, and without a massive chokejob Auburn would have won that game, so it's hard to say with certainty what would have happened sometimes
This post was edited on 11/11/20 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 11/11/20 at 4:21 pm to RandySavage
Several ways to look at it. At the end of the season, you had these teams:
Miami 11-1
Nebraska 12-1
Auburn 11-1
Georgia 10-1-1
Texas 11-1
BYU 11-1
Florida was ranked higher than BYU, but they had 2 losses and a tie. Clemson was 9-1-1, but on probation.
Miami, Auburn, Georgia, BYU won their bowls
Miami: 3-1 v ranked teams. 3 wins came in the Orange Bowl. Loss was at #16 UF in week 1
Nebraska: 2-1 v ranked teams. None of the games were at home. Loss was v #5 Miami in Orange Bowl
Auburn: 5-1 v ranked teams. 1 win on road, 2 at neutral site. Loss was v #3 Texas in week 2.
Georgia: 3-1 v ranked teams. 1 win was at home. Tie came against Clemson, who finished 9-1-1 and was on probation. Loss v #3 Auburn.
Texas: 3-1 v ranked teams. All opponents were in top 10. No games were at home. Loss to Georgia in Cotton Bowl.
BYU: no ranked opponents. Lost to Baylor in week 1.
BYU gets thrown out. You could argue Auburn and Texas have best body of work.
Miami 11-1
Nebraska 12-1
Auburn 11-1
Georgia 10-1-1
Texas 11-1
BYU 11-1
Florida was ranked higher than BYU, but they had 2 losses and a tie. Clemson was 9-1-1, but on probation.
Miami, Auburn, Georgia, BYU won their bowls
Miami: 3-1 v ranked teams. 3 wins came in the Orange Bowl. Loss was at #16 UF in week 1
Nebraska: 2-1 v ranked teams. None of the games were at home. Loss was v #5 Miami in Orange Bowl
Auburn: 5-1 v ranked teams. 1 win on road, 2 at neutral site. Loss was v #3 Texas in week 2.
Georgia: 3-1 v ranked teams. 1 win was at home. Tie came against Clemson, who finished 9-1-1 and was on probation. Loss v #3 Auburn.
Texas: 3-1 v ranked teams. All opponents were in top 10. No games were at home. Loss to Georgia in Cotton Bowl.
BYU: no ranked opponents. Lost to Baylor in week 1.
BYU gets thrown out. You could argue Auburn and Texas have best body of work.
This post was edited on 11/11/20 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 11/11/20 at 4:25 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Arkansas in 64 & 65. If you swap the selection time (pre-bowl in 64 and after bowl in 65) of both seasons then arkansas wins 2 national titles. Just unlucky circumstances I guess.
Posted on 11/11/20 at 4:47 pm to DBG
quote:its the system now.
What a retarded system for naming champions in CFB we used to have
Posted on 11/11/20 at 5:28 pm to VerlanderBEAST
PSU 1994 is the most balanced and efficient offense I have ever seen. It is a shame they couldn't play for it.
Posted on 11/11/20 at 5:32 pm to Mason Dixon Swine
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Arkansas in 64 & 65
I didn't realize that but I knew Bama "won" both because of the difference and they still bitch about 66
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SU 1994 is the most balanced and efficient offense I have ever seen.
Didn't watch LSU last year?
This post was edited on 11/11/20 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 11/11/20 at 8:13 pm to Mithridates6
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What about Bama getting the AP vote in 1978 over USC who had rolled the Tahd 24-14 in Birmingham?
The USC that lost to a three-loss Arizona State two weeks later?
Posted on 11/11/20 at 8:15 pm to H-Town Tiger
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both Michigan St. or ND would have beaten Bama that year.
I never understood the argument that because the teams ranked 1 and 2 tie EACH OTHER means #3 should move up
If ND hadn't chosen to stay home and watch the bowls on TV, they could have played Alabama.
Posted on 11/11/20 at 8:23 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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If McElroy catches the hook and lateral at the end, he scores and A&M wins 27-24.
Lmao, the crushing defeat because a team didn’t convert the lowest percentage play in football , in desperation.
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