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re: CFB teams robbed of a National Title
Posted on 11/9/20 at 12:08 am to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 11/9/20 at 12:08 am to H-Town Tiger
I don't quite understand his logic. Nebraska gets no credit for wearing down and beating up the #3 team in the country in their home stadium. That Miami team didn't even look want to be on the field anymore by the end of the game.
Why do people think 94 Nebraska would have no chance against a high scoring offense? In the 90s the formula for shutting down teams like PSU was long grinding run heavy drives and beating the crap out of the other teams qb (would all be considered late hits now), two things 94 Nebraska did very well.
Why do people think 94 Nebraska would have no chance against a high scoring offense? In the 90s the formula for shutting down teams like PSU was long grinding run heavy drives and beating the crap out of the other teams qb (would all be considered late hits now), two things 94 Nebraska did very well.
This post was edited on 11/9/20 at 12:09 am
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Posted on 11/9/20 at 12:15 am to Cfrobel
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I don't quite understand his logic. Nebraska gets no credit for wearing down and beating up the #3 team in the country in their home stadium. That Miami team didn't even look want to be on the field anymore by the end of the game.
Why do people think 94 Nebraska would have no chance against a high scoring offense? In the 90s the formula for shutting down teams like PSU was long grinding run heavy drives and beating the crap out of the other teams qb (would all be considered late hits now), two things 94 Nebraska did very well.
Thank you. If anyone rewatches that Orange Bowl, look at Costa's jersey in the 4th quarter. The guy was pummeled.
This is what I'm talking about when I say the dominance of Penn State that season is slightly overstated, and Nebraska's defense might've been better.
Posted on 11/9/20 at 12:19 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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How the frick did FSU get the nod as the National Champion?
ND beat them by a TD the 3rd to last week of the season...ND's only loss was by 2 points to #17 Boston College the next week.
Notre Dame was lucky to win the Cotton Bowl. If McElroy catches the hook and lateral at the end, he scores and A&M wins 27-24.
Posted on 11/9/20 at 12:22 am to TexasTiger08
EDIT: Nevermind, wrong season. I was thinking about 2001
This post was edited on 11/9/20 at 12:32 am
Posted on 11/9/20 at 12:24 am to TexasTiger08
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2000 Washington/Miami - these two go hand in hand. Miami beats FSU (who lays an egg against OU), but Washington beats Miami. Washington’s only loss is to Oregon, who finishes as a top 10 team.
Tuiasosopo and the Huskies were legit that year. Anybody who believes Miami was the team that got screwed that season wasn't paying attention.
Washington and Miami could've both beaten that OU team.
Posted on 11/9/20 at 12:34 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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Oregon was the one robbed. They beat Washington and won the PAC 10. They finished the season with only one loss.
Nebraska, who was destroyed by 4 touchdowns in their regular season finale by Big 12 Champion Colorado, had no business being #2 in the BCS (they were 4th in all human polls).
I agree, Oregon deserved to play Miami. They proved that by beating the hell out of Colorado in the Fiesta Bowl. CU was actually getting support to jump to #2 after winning the Big XII, despite 2 losses.
Unfortunately, the Pac 10 was perceived as a down conference back then, much like now. USC and UCLA sucked, so everybody else couldn't be acceptably good enough.
ETA: I wondered if you had gotten your seasons mixed up, but I figured you were just talking about the next season as a bigger screwup.
This post was edited on 11/9/20 at 12:36 am
Posted on 11/9/20 at 1:57 am to nvasil1
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I agree, Oregon deserved to play Miami
Oregon fricking destroyed Colorado.
The same Colorado team that destroyed Nebraska in the last game of the season.
Voters are retarded and the computers made it worse.
Same with 2003 Oklahoma getting destroyed in the last game of the season and still making the NCAA title game.
The NCAA Basketball selection committee always cares about how a team looks at the end of the year not the myriad of systems we've had.
Oregon lost 1 game by a single TD to a Stanford team that finished #16 in the nation and went 9-3. Colorado might've beaten Nebraska but they lost to Fresno State and got blown out by Texas.
That was a far worse loss for Nebraska than Oregon's loss.
This post was edited on 11/9/20 at 2:03 am
Posted on 11/9/20 at 2:39 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Voters are retarded and the computers made it worse.
The computers were flawed, but at least they were objective. The current committee is just a glorified AP poll selecting 4 teams.
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The NCAA Basketball selection committee always cares about how a team looks at the end of the year not the myriad of systems we've had.
As a Loyola Chicago season ticket holder, I disagree. Loyola killed teams at the backend of the Final Four season and got an 11 seed. They were considered on the bubble if they didn't win Arch Madness, even though they beat Florida in Gainesville. That team wasn't a fluke, yet the committee didn't care without the automatic bid.
Posted on 11/9/20 at 3:06 am to nvasil1
I never remember that PSU team as this vaunted monster. In fact, it wasn't until I joined Tigerdroppings and these periodic discussions pop up did I ever hear '94 Penn State described as this mythical juggernaut.
This discussion begins and ends with '66 Bama.
'77 Bama got jobbed, too.
This discussion begins and ends with '66 Bama.
'77 Bama got jobbed, too.
Posted on 11/9/20 at 9:25 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
1969 LSU
Posted on 11/9/20 at 9:47 am to Cfrobel
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I don't quite understand his logic. Nebraska gets no credit for wearing down and beating up the #3 team in the country in their home stadium.
he has an obvious bias against/hatred of Nebraska.
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Why do people think 94 Nebraska would have no chance against a high scoring offense
There has been this myth built up about this Penn St team i guess because they went undefeated and did not split the title and had the 3 top 10 picks in Carter Collins and Engram. Given the 91 and 97 seasons had split titles with 2 undefeated teams 94 probably should have as well and i think the fact that Osborne had never won one probably played a role. Also people point to Nebraska jumping PSU in the polls but Nebraska was getting the most 1st place votes when PSU was #1 LINK. PSU was #1 but Colorado was #2 and Nebraska #3, Nebraska jumped to #1 after beating Colorado. it was obvious at the time whoever won the NU-CU game would be #1 and wasn't controversial.
This post was edited on 11/9/20 at 10:06 am
Posted on 11/9/20 at 9:56 am to nvasil1
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The computers were flawed, but at least they were objective.
the formulas are created by flawed humans. The problem with the early BCS was using computers and other formulas like SOS that were basically double counting some things also they responded to the 2000 controversy (Miami beating FSU but FSU going) by adding the "quality wins" or whatever basically a cheat that would have put Miami #2 in 2002 and that was why Nebraska got in and Colorado was actually 3 over Oregon #4 in 2001.
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The current committee is just a glorified AP poll selecting 4 teams.
its much better than the AP because they actually watch the teams play and meet and discuss and are not tied to a preseason poll. If the BCS formula that was used post 2003 was used all along there would have been zero BCS controversies beyond having 3 undefeated teams.
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s a Loyola Chicago season ticket holder, I disagree. Loyola killed teams at the backend of the Final Four season and got an 11 seed
i strongly disagree with the idea counting later games more, using a team from a 4th tier conference is not a best refutation of that
ETA: the problem with 2001 Neb and 2003 OU wasn't just that they lost late, its that the a)got absolutely destroyed and b) did not win their conference. 2007 LSU lost the last game of the regular season UGA was "hot". LSU deserved to go to the BCS CG because they won the SEC and had the best resume of the other 2 loss teams
This post was edited on 11/9/20 at 10:10 am
Posted on 11/9/20 at 9:59 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Auburn got robbed in 2004.
Posted on 11/9/20 at 10:11 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
1993 FSU played the tougher schedule than ND. That said, they lost to Nebraska in the Orange Bowl even if the scoreboard says otherwise, Huskers should've had 3 straight NC's and 4 in 5 years. It appears the refs wanted Bobby to finally get his title as well LINK
Posted on 11/9/20 at 10:17 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
STFU........
Posted on 11/9/20 at 10:37 am to SoFla Tideroller
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This discussion begins and ends with '66 Bama.
'77 Bama got jobbed, too.
No team has won three consecutive national championships. If Bama hadn't been ripped off, we'd have done it twice.
Posted on 11/9/20 at 10:47 am to BamaGradinTn
Shut up..... Some fans just like to cry... both Michigan St. or ND would have beaten Bama that year.
Posted on 11/9/20 at 10:49 am to BamaGradinTn
What about Bama getting the AP vote in 1978 over USC who had rolled the Tahd 24-14 in Birmingham?
Posted on 11/9/20 at 11:03 am to Mithridates6
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What about Bama getting the AP vote in 1978 over USC who had rolled the Tahd 24-14 in Birmingham?
I don't understand their complaint about 77. Notre Dame destroyed #1 11-0 Texas, why shouldn't ND move up to #1?
Also they "won" the MNC in 64 and 65 because the AP changed the way they named the NC after 64. 64 Bama was #1 after the season but lost in to Texas in the Cotton Bowl but the AP named NC before the bowls. In 65 the AP waited until after the bowls and #4 Bama moved up after 1 2 and 3 all lost.
They claim multiple dubious titles, have been gifted several others and still whine about a couple of others they "missed"
ETA: 1973 is a prime example. They split the title with ND even though ND beat them in the Sugar Bowl because the UPI (coaches poll) was still awarding NC before the bowls.
This post was edited on 11/9/20 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 11/9/20 at 11:05 am to dukke v
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both Michigan St. or ND would have beaten Bama that year.
I never understood the argument that because the teams ranked 1 and 2 tie EACH OTHER means #3 should move up
This post was edited on 11/9/20 at 11:06 am
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