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Posted on 11/17/14 at 4:03 pm to VADawg
Well somebody is lying cuz Heyward says he wanted to stay:
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@DOBrienAJC: #Braves Heyward said he hoped team would approach him about long-term extension, & never did. "I made it clear to them I wanted to be here."
Posted on 11/17/14 at 4:18 pm to Lester Earl
LE
That's Ruthian numbers right there.
That's Ruthian numbers right there.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 4:28 pm to Dale Murphy
I don't understand why Braves fans like Hayward, outside of Defense he did absolutely nothing.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 4:34 pm to The_SwAUggford
I am glad Shelby Miller is no longer a Cardinal.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 4:37 pm to UltimateHog
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I am glad Shelby Miller is no longer a Cardinal.
Why is that?
Posted on 11/17/14 at 4:46 pm to UltimateHog
Bout time you got here hold on let me grab a beer, 
Posted on 11/17/14 at 4:53 pm to LoveThatMoney
Miller was never expected to be a Cardinal for long, it's why he was involved in every trade rumor.
Attitude problems, bad work ethic, you name it. Very slow in his development that he was passed quickly by Wacha and Gonzalez was gaining ground quick.
Last October when the Cards wanted him to stay in STL in the offseason to work with Waino on his secondary pitches, he did not. More of the same from him. His DWI here in Springfield nearly got him dealt then.
Plenty of talent, just not sure he'll every reach it because of where he is mentally. He still has a long ways to go and at 24 he still has time. But for someone with his potential and given all the tools to succeed in STL, he's nowhere near where he should be at 24.
Attitude problems, bad work ethic, you name it. Very slow in his development that he was passed quickly by Wacha and Gonzalez was gaining ground quick.
Last October when the Cards wanted him to stay in STL in the offseason to work with Waino on his secondary pitches, he did not. More of the same from him. His DWI here in Springfield nearly got him dealt then.
Plenty of talent, just not sure he'll every reach it because of where he is mentally. He still has a long ways to go and at 24 he still has time. But for someone with his potential and given all the tools to succeed in STL, he's nowhere near where he should be at 24.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 4:59 pm to volfan30
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Braves offense is absolutely horrendous
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Heyward... was the team's 3rd best hitter
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Braves offense is absolutely horrendous
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Braves offense is absolutely horrendous
Posted on 11/17/14 at 5:01 pm to RollDatRoll
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According to Jason, they never even contacted him about an extension.
Probably because they never had any intention of extending him.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 5:09 pm to The_SwAUggford
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I don't understand why Braves fans like Hayward, outside of Defense he did absolutely nothing.
But have you seen that WAR?!
On a more serious note, he's a homegrown talent with plenty of untapped potential. That's why there's so much appeal and whining about the deal. The thing how long can the wait for him to breakout and how smart would it be to extend him a massive contract extension waiting for numbers he may never achieve. If he wasn't so mediocre offensively so far in his career, we may have never had come down to this. It was a tough situation to be in and Heyward didn't do the Braves any favors. We wouldn't be having this conversation if he was closer to that 20/20 strong OBP guy we thought he was going to be.
This post was edited on 11/17/14 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 11/17/14 at 5:15 pm to papz
He is 17th in all of baseball in OBP the last two years and put up a 20/20 season in his age 22 season.
His lack of power looks worse because he is 6'5, 240. But if you take him for what he is, a .270 hitter with elite on base skills, elite defensive skills and elite base running skills and 15 home run power, you will see him as a very, very good player.
His lack of power looks worse because he is 6'5, 240. But if you take him for what he is, a .270 hitter with elite on base skills, elite defensive skills and elite base running skills and 15 home run power, you will see him as a very, very good player.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 5:18 pm to Lester Earl
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A 25 year old with a 95mph fastball is hardly a finished product.
It can be 195 MPH, but it's useless if he can't place it.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 5:18 pm to volfan30
I'm not trying to pick sides in this but I do think some ppl are forgetting the era we are playing in, a RF who puts up 20 bombs is basically real close to elite, if not elite at this point
Posted on 11/17/14 at 5:23 pm to UltimateHog
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Miller was never expected to be a Cardinal for long, it's why he was involved in every trade rumor.
Attitude problems, bad work ethic, you name it. Very slow in his development that he was passed quickly by Wacha and Gonzalez was gaining ground quick.
Last October when the Cards wanted him to stay in STL in the offseason to work with Waino on his secondary pitches, he did not. More of the same from him. His DWI here in Springfield nearly got him dealt then.
Plenty of talent, just not sure he'll every reach it because of where he is mentally. He still has a long ways to go and at 24 he still has time. But for someone with his potential and given all the tools to succeed in STL, he's nowhere near where he should be at 24.
Had no idea about his off-field issues. I will say that I've never been enamored of Jason Heyward. He seems to have an incredibly long swing and opens up too much in the hips. He has only a decent batting average, and though he can hit for power, he doesn't exactly light up the scoreboard. Given the money they're going to have throw at him in the near future, unless he comes to StL and finds something that he has been missing for the last four years at the plate, this just seems like a band-aid. Guess it had to be done, though. Particularly since we have a glut in the rotation.
We'll see. I trust in Mozeliak. Karabell and Schoenfield seem to think that the Cards just pulled a fast one on the Braves.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 5:24 pm to volfan30
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His lack of power looks worse because he is 6'5, 240. But if you take him for what he is, a .270 hitter with elite on base skills, elite defensive skills and elite base running skills and 15 home run power, you will see him as a very, very good player.
Yes, he is basically Shin Shoo Choo, which is valuable to a well built team like the Cards. Just look at the run KC put together with moderate hitting, great defensive/baserunning players. Heyward went from having to be "the man" in ATL to a team where he is just a piece.
And lol at Cards fans trying to shite on Miller
Posted on 11/17/14 at 5:26 pm to volfan30
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He is 17th in all of baseball in OBP the last two years and put up a 20/20 season in his age 22 season.
LINK
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His lack of power looks worse because he is 6'5, 240. But if you take him for what he is, a .270 hitter with elite on base skills, elite defensive skills and elite base running skills and 15 home run power, you will see him as a very, very good player.
.262/.351/.429/.780 career stat line is not the 18+ million dollar player you think he is. He's an elite defender with mediocre production offensively. You need to take off those glasses man.
This post was edited on 11/17/14 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 11/17/14 at 5:29 pm to GynoSandberg
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And lol at Cards fans trying to shite on Miller
I seriously had no idea how low some peoples opinions were of him until this thread.
Every franchise would love to have a talent like that, alleged attitude issues aside.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 5:30 pm to Woopigsooie20
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It can be 195 MPH, but it's useless if he can't place it.
he has a 3.33 career ERA in nearly 400 MLB innings....And just made 24. 
Posted on 11/17/14 at 5:32 pm to papz
Those glasses will never come off. You can count on that.
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