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re: Cards send Miller to braves...get Heyward
Posted on 11/17/14 at 5:34 pm to Wishnitwas1998
Posted on 11/17/14 at 5:34 pm to Wishnitwas1998
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I'm not trying to pick sides in this but I do think some ppl are forgetting the era we are playing in, a RF who puts up 20 bombs is basically real close to elite, if not elite at this point
MLB tonight just made a great point, in this era of baseball after watching what the Royals did with their outfield of speed and fielding to get them to the WS, Heyward is better than all of them. That makes me giddy. Speed and gold glove defense, highest fWAR in NL last 3 years, higher than 325 million dollar man Stanton who is 2nd.
I like it a lot. And Walden is really good, our bullpen got a lot better too and we needed bullpen help badly.
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@BenLindbergh: Jason Heyward, last 3 years: 14.8 fWAR. Giancarlo Stanton, last 3 years: 14.0 fWAR. So yeah, the #Cardinals just got a pretty good player.
I loooove taking a page from the Royals here after seeing what they did with speed and defense in the outfield. Love love love it. You just can't find that kind of glove arm and speed combo while still being young, it's just not out there very often.
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Posted on 11/17/14 at 5:36 pm to papz
quote:That's going too far in the other direction. Those numbers are far from mediocre, especially for someone who debuted as a newly turned twenty year old.
.262/.351/.429/.780 career stat line is not the 18+ million dollar player you think he is. He's an elite defender with mediocre production offensively. You need to take off those glasses man.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 5:38 pm to piggidyphish
holy smokes....
Posted on 11/17/14 at 5:38 pm to UltimateHog
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And Walden is really good,
Guys...should I tell him?
This post was edited on 11/17/14 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 11/17/14 at 5:40 pm to UltimateHog
I can't believe the Braves included Walden in this deal, seems Heyward would have been enough
This post was edited on 11/17/14 at 5:40 pm
Posted on 11/17/14 at 5:40 pm to UltimateHog
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I loooove taking a page from the Royals here after seeing what they did with speed and defense in the outfield. Love love love it.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 5:40 pm to tduecen
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I can't believe the Braves included Walden in this deal
Posted on 11/17/14 at 5:43 pm to Wishnitwas1998
quote:Shouldn't he consistently put up 20 bombs before we make this statement?
a RF who puts up 20 bombs
Posted on 11/17/14 at 5:46 pm to Louie T
It's mediocre no matter how you want to dice it. Would you feel comfortable handing him out a massive extension? You can't pay him prime money at his current level of production no matter what age he debuted at.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 5:48 pm to papz
Exactly. Prove you're gonna live up to the hype before the Braves sign another terrible contract.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 5:51 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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I seriously had no idea how low some peoples opinions were of him until this thread.
So thinking a guy is a solid mid rotation arm is shitting on him? He brought back Heyward so he isnt "shite".
The attitude issues are what they are. The inconsistency in both FB velocity and ability to throw breaking stuff and his lack of stamina are well known negatives.
Look, Miller is a solid pitching project. These opinions of him are not "new" because he was traded. Read any Cardinals forums or read articles discussing trade rumors. Stuff is well known over the last two years.
This post was edited on 11/17/14 at 5:52 pm
Posted on 11/17/14 at 5:51 pm to papz
Since entering the league in 2010, he ranks 38th in all of baseball of players with 2000 PA (400/year) in OPS. He's an above average runner as well. Granted his first few years were better than his last two, but that's hardly mediocre no matter how you want to slice it... especially considering that production came before he even turned 25.
This post was edited on 11/17/14 at 5:54 pm
Posted on 11/17/14 at 5:52 pm to kilo
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Look, Miller is a solid pitching project. These opinions of him are not "new" because he was traded. Read any Cardinals forums or read articles discussing trade rumors. Stuff is well known over the last two years.
Yup, Miller being traded is of zero surprise to any Cardinals fan. He was literally mentioned in every trade rumor for the past 2 years now.
Hopefully a change of scenery will get his head out of his arse for the Braves sake.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 5:56 pm to kilo
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The inconsistency in both FB velocity
Miller's average FB velocity:
2012: 92.7
2013: 93.5
2014: 93.4
thoughts?
Posted on 11/17/14 at 5:58 pm to kilo
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So thinking a guy is a solid mid rotation arm is shitting on him? He brought back Heyward so he isnt "shite".
The attitude issues are what they are. The inconsistency in both FB velocity and ability to throw breaking stuff and his lack of stamina are well known negatives.
Look, Miller is a solid pitching project. These opinions of him are not "new" because he was traded. Read any Cardinals forums or read articles discussing trade rumors. Stuff is well known over the last two years
Braves fans don't know shite about baseball anyways though so it's not surprising. 4 years of AT LEAST a middle rotation pitcher, more than likely a very good 2 though.
The other end of that is 1 year of Jason Heyward and then dealing with Scott fricking Boras for an extension and a player who will pick top dollar no matter where it is.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 5:59 pm to GynoSandberg
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thoughts?
About?
Posted on 11/17/14 at 6:00 pm to Louie T
I'm sorry I can't make those numbers look any better. It looked average yesterday, it looks average today, and it'll look average tomorrow. I think it's well established he's great defensively and that he's an above average runner. He's still mediocre offensively especially considering what's been expected of him.
This post was edited on 11/17/14 at 6:01 pm
Posted on 11/17/14 at 6:01 pm to Mizzoufan26
I'm just glad Shelby is gone for so many reasons.
I couldn't stand watching him throw 100 pitches in 5 innings much longer.
He should have been so much further along, but his shitty work ethic caught up to him at the MLB level.
I couldn't stand watching him throw 100 pitches in 5 innings much longer.
He should have been so much further along, but his shitty work ethic caught up to him at the MLB level.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 6:02 pm to kilo
Miller's avg FB velo is practically the same over the course of two seasons and change.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 6:11 pm to kilo
Just saying that others (including a lot of Braves fans, which I am not) are making it seem like this is a very lopsided deal for the Cards. Until something comes out about Heyward agreeing to an extension it looks like the Braves got a much better end of the deal. Trading a 24 year old controllable pitcher with the production and potential of Miller for possibly one year of Heyward does not look good on paper, and I say this as someone who doesn't like either franchise.
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