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re: Big TV betting on Consolidation in NCAAF
Posted on 8/10/23 at 2:16 pm to therick711
Posted on 8/10/23 at 2:16 pm to therick711
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I actually think broadcasters are counting on consistently capturing the existing audiences with competitive games, not really making a whole new audience.
If they aren't chasing a new audience, why would they do anything that risks alienating the audience they have now?
College football will lose fans as it becomes more and more like the NFL.
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Posted on 8/10/23 at 2:27 pm to VADawg
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If they aren't chasing a new audience, why would they do anything that risks alienating the audience they have now?
Because live sports content is all existing broadcasters have that has a built in incentive for people to watch as aired and not record and fast forward through commercials. You can make this genre of content even more valuable when you can demonstrate that your inventory also keeps eye balls. Think of it as analogous to the reason why major league baseball wanted to speed up its games. It may enhance viewership, but what it really does is assist in eyeball permanence metrics.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 2:31 pm to therick711
I don't think this is going to work out how they expect it to. I don't think diehard fans will continue to watch after being shite on for 10 years by TV networks. I know I've definitely consumed far less college football over the last 5 years or so than I ever expected to.
I'd rather watch a big time rivalry game than two big brands who are decent teams but have no history against each other. Give me Pitt/WVU all day over something like USC/Florida. Rivalries and traditions are what make college football different than the NFL. Without that, it becomes NFL lite. If I want to watch pro football, I'll watch it on Sunday. The actual on field product is far inferior.
And no, new rivalries won't just develop overnight. That's not how it works. Georgia/Ohio State, for example, would never be a real rivalry game. Georgia fans don't interact with Ohio State fans much in real life.
I'd rather watch a big time rivalry game than two big brands who are decent teams but have no history against each other. Give me Pitt/WVU all day over something like USC/Florida. Rivalries and traditions are what make college football different than the NFL. Without that, it becomes NFL lite. If I want to watch pro football, I'll watch it on Sunday. The actual on field product is far inferior.
And no, new rivalries won't just develop overnight. That's not how it works. Georgia/Ohio State, for example, would never be a real rivalry game. Georgia fans don't interact with Ohio State fans much in real life.
This post was edited on 8/10/23 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 8/10/23 at 2:36 pm to WestCoastAg
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Because they are going to increase the number of games that those casual fans might be interested in watching? Is this really that difficult of a concept?
No it will not. Somebody has to lose and when teams that normally win 6-8 a year suddenly drop down to being 2-10 to 4-8 those same casuals will continue to bitch that said teams suck and aren’t worth watching just like how they do now. On top of casuals still not caring, all those teams that suddenly go from being mid tier to the bottom tier will bleed out core fans too.
I mean shite, even SEC teams struggle to come anywhere near selling out when their teams are just average. Not even being good enough to win 6 every year would be a death sentence. Why do you think everyone schedules at least 2-3 cupcake games? Teams that end up at the back of the bus for just a few years will murder fanbases long term. Students do not give a flying frick about supporting losing teams and the students of today are the lifetime fans of tomorrow. Consolidation is going to kill interest in the sport, not help it.
This post was edited on 8/10/23 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 8/10/23 at 2:40 pm to VADawg
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I don't think this is going to work out how they expect it to. I don't think diehard fans will continue to watch after being shite on for 10 years by TV networks. I know I've definitely consumed far less college football over the last 5 years or so than I ever expected to.
I'd rather watch a big time rivalry game than two big brands who are decent teams but have no history against each other. Give me Pitt/WVU all day over something like USC/Florida. Rivalries and traditions are what make college football different than the NFL. Without that, it becomes NFL lite. If I want to watch pro football, I'll watch it on Sunday. The actual on field product is far inferior.
And no, new rivalries won't just develop overnight. That's not how it works. Georgia/Ohio State, for example, would never be a real rivalry game. Georgia fans don't interact with Ohio State fans much in real life.
I understand what you're saying. I think the ideal would have been less disruption of the system in existence, and changing scheduling practice. No one was ever able to get that done. We couldn't get Saban to give up his November FCS pointless exercise, or get Florida to leave the state, or get the rest of the SEC to agree to play more conference games (or even change scheduling because MAH BOWLZ for the poors in the conference). The PAC increased its conference games and the Big 12 did too, and the SEC ripped the Big 12 apart and the BIG 10 did the same to the PAC 12.
Completely decimating the power 5 to get less BS matchups that no one wants is a pretty good example of swatting a fly with a bazooka.
This post was edited on 8/10/23 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 8/10/23 at 2:41 pm to TeddyPadillac
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why would guido joe watch OSU/USC 3 years from, but didn't want to watch it last year?
Because they think they’re gonna get him to bet on it…
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If it makes everyone mediocre by record, though, it will just be the NFL with the potential to run an option play every now and again.
Think of all the viewers college football loses when games are not competitive. Like games that are like 56-14 or so. TV doesn’t like those games
And you can’t have a draft and free agency or trades in CFB. Recruiting has been described as the top 10 teams each having 5 #1 picks in the draft every year
This post was edited on 8/10/23 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 8/10/23 at 2:52 pm to chalmetteowl
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Because they think they’re gonna get him to bet on it…
I got news for ya baw. people that bet, bet regardless of who's playing. It doesn't need to be OSU/USC for him to bet on it. He's perfectly happy taking Indiana +34 against OSU, and he'll watch that shitty game b/c he has a betting interest in it.
There are no casual bettors that just say, "hey there's a big name game i know nothing about, let me bet on OSU to cover -3.5 over USC".
Posted on 8/10/23 at 2:54 pm to chalmetteowl
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And you can’t have a draft and free agency or trades in CFB.
What do you think NIL + unlimited transfer portal is???
Posted on 8/10/23 at 2:58 pm to TeddyPadillac
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There are no casual bettors that just say, "hey there's a big name game i know nothing about, let me bet on OSU to cover -3.5 over USC".
Teddy, I think there are idiot betters like that. I'm not sure they need to watch the game though. I'm also not sure that will create new interest. I think those casual degenerates are already built in.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 3:00 pm to WestCoastAg
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dont think people who have never watched CFB will suddenly become interested I think there is a group of fans who exist that literally only watch the major brands play eachother and I think that number is larger than the number of 4th generation families who have gone to Kansas State games since 1957 and are going to refuse to watch out of spite
What happens when TAMU is left on the chopping block? Are they a top 40 team in the nation? What if the SEC needs to make room and they throw them away alongside Vanderbilt and Kentucky?
I think those big national matchups across the country get so much juice because of their rarity. When OSU and USC becomes a yearly thing, it will lose interest somewhat quickly.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 3:09 pm to jlovel7
quote:not that it would happen but if it did, id probably still watch major college football
What happens when TAMU is left on the chopping block?
Posted on 8/10/23 at 3:16 pm to WestCoastAg
I seriously doubt if UCLA and A&M got cut out you’d be getting amped to watch USC v Texas on a Saturday.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 3:18 pm to Dr RC
I mean, I probably would
Posted on 8/10/23 at 3:19 pm to WestCoastAg
Posted on 8/10/23 at 3:59 pm to WestCoastAg
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not that it would happen
What on earth would spare Texas A&M. They are not a major brand nor do they have much historical success.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 4:02 pm to SoDakHawk
Not sure what will kill college football first, tv greed or cost to attend these events!
They are doing their best to make it unaffordable for alumni to bring their families
They are doing their best to make it unaffordable for alumni to bring their families
Posted on 8/10/23 at 4:03 pm to jlovel7
Wow. Youve convinced me. shite. We're fricked
Posted on 8/11/23 at 5:04 am to DBG
The thing about consolidation is that even in a super league, someone has to lose. Grab all the elites and put them in a league, and someone is going to go 6-6 overall or worse. Conference records alone would find teams that are used to going 5-3 or better in their conference being 3-5 or worse because conference play is a zero-sum game. For every winner, there is a loser. And if a super league means those teams just play each other, you’ll have some teams that were relevant going 6-6 or worse.
How big will be their brand be when they’re going 3-5 or worse in league play most years? Think about Nebraska, which has become an afterthought in the Big Ten, or Arkansas, which occasionally makes a run but more often than not is an also-ran in the SEC.
How big will be their brand be when they’re going 3-5 or worse in league play most years? Think about Nebraska, which has become an afterthought in the Big Ten, or Arkansas, which occasionally makes a run but more often than not is an also-ran in the SEC.
This post was edited on 8/11/23 at 5:06 am
Posted on 8/11/23 at 5:59 am to Winston Cup
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Except the college football product is shitty. Even shittier than the giants. People who regularly watch nfl and not college will find it hard to watch unless it is a marquee matchup, even then it will be with passive interest
Are you kidding me? The NFL is as bland a brand as there is. It’s corporate nothingness. The NFL sucks compared to college football.
Why college football is trying to become NFL-lite, I’ll never understand. Killing the one thing that made it so unique.
Posted on 8/11/23 at 6:04 am to Buckeye Backer
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start carrying its fricking wait
You should carry your own weight when it comes to the English language
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