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Posted on 8/24/21 at 10:13 am to skullhawk
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Basically eliminate the SEC from having any attractive non-conference games.
That would be a bad move, the SEC would say ok, I'll add Clemson, Florida State, Oklahoma State, West Virginia, NC State, Virginia Tech, Kansas, and maybe Texas Tech or Virginia, get to 24 teams, play an entire 11 or 12 game SEC schedule and say f*ck your alliance
Posted on 8/24/21 at 10:34 am to skullhawk
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To me that's the only power move this alliance could make. Basically eliminate the SEC from having any attractive non-conference games. You want to see good non-conference games? Well you're going to have to consume the alliance's product.
Would they also eliminate games with WAC,MAC, Big12, AAC and all others? Doubtful, but if they did isolate only SEC, it would be a disaster for the alliance.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 10:48 am to CU_Tigers4life
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If the Alliance voted against expanding the playoffs that work be a problem for the SEC. With 16 teams that will now include the best 2 of the Big 12 creates a lot of mouths to feed and only 4 spots at the table.
Not really. The SEC is way more likely to get 2 out of the 4 in the playoff than 6 of 12. With only 2 spots available (of the 4), it really creates a problem for the other power 5 conferences. Delaying playoff expansion isn't as smart or strategic as they think.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 10:49 am to Hogwallop
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Would they also eliminate games with WAC,MAC, Big12, AAC and all others? Doubtful, but if they did isolate only SEC, it would be a disaster for the alliance.
Sure they could. The 3 leagues have 40 schools plus Notre Dame and could replaces those leagues and round-robin games among the 3 leagues. Is it a Good idea? Who knows?
I'm interested in how it would effect the rivalry games
in the ACC and SEC:
Clemson-South Carolina
Kentucky- Louisville
Florida-Florida State
Ga-Ga Tech
This is where the lawyers and accountants are making the recommendation because the average fan doesn't get a word in these discussions
Posted on 8/24/21 at 10:51 am to Brisketeer
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Not really. The SEC is way more likely to get 2 out of the 4 in the playoff than 6 of 12. With only 2 spots available (of the 4), it really creates a problem for the other power 5 conferences. Delaying playoff expansion isn't as smart or strategic as they think.
Oh, I think getting 4-6 games in the playoffs is a big part of the SEC adding those two teams. The SEC is already getting two teams in the CFP and this would most likely screw every SEC school not named Alabama
Posted on 8/24/21 at 10:56 am to CU_Tigers4life
Yahoo article.
LINK
LINK
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The Alliance will center on a shared vision for the future governance of college athletics. For now, the Alliance will mean the three leagues can, among other things, form a voting block that will blunt the growing influence of an expanded SEC. It also allows three leagues that consider themselves like-minded to gain voting power on issues as the NCAA’s influence diminishes.
Discussions at the university presidential level have been significant and give the alliance the potential to be much more meaningful. Those talks have included both regular-season scheduling and how an expanded College Football Playoff would operate, sources told Yahoo Sports.
This post was edited on 8/24/21 at 11:01 am
Posted on 8/24/21 at 11:10 am to CU_Tigers4life
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Sure they could. The 3 leagues have 40 schools plus Notre Dame and could replaces those leagues and round-robin games among the 3 leagues. Is it a Good idea? Who knows
Obviously it can be done but it's just about as obvious that the outcome would be bad.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 11:19 am to RLDSC FAN
Sucks to be Baylor, Texas Tech, TCU, Kansas State. These schools are royally screwed.
I think Kansas and Iowa State land somewhere.
I have no clue where OSU or WVU land.
I think Kansas and Iowa State land somewhere.
I have no clue where OSU or WVU land.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 11:46 am to KillTheGophers
What we don't want is for college football to become just a regional sport. If the SEC takes Clemson and Florida State and the other conferences just become like the MAC or C-USA or AAC then college football will not be able to command the dollars for television and the bowl games and playoffs will suffer and eventually the revenue will go down.
Sure the SEC can become a super league but also just a minor league for the NFL and the rest of the country will stop following the SEC. I mean some SEC folks may dream of other games becoming quaint like Michigan and Ohio State becoming a version of Harvard-Yale, but the rest of the country will not make it a point to watch Alabama-Auburn or LSU-Alabama or Florida-Florida St if the games mean nothing to them. At best in Michigan, Illinois, and Pennsylvania the SEC becomes an appetizer for the NFL or the future equivalent of Bowling Green v Western Michigan in regards to viewing interest. ESPN isn't going to pay the same amount of dollars for the SEC when it becomes just a regional attraction.
Sure the SEC can become a super league but also just a minor league for the NFL and the rest of the country will stop following the SEC. I mean some SEC folks may dream of other games becoming quaint like Michigan and Ohio State becoming a version of Harvard-Yale, but the rest of the country will not make it a point to watch Alabama-Auburn or LSU-Alabama or Florida-Florida St if the games mean nothing to them. At best in Michigan, Illinois, and Pennsylvania the SEC becomes an appetizer for the NFL or the future equivalent of Bowling Green v Western Michigan in regards to viewing interest. ESPN isn't going to pay the same amount of dollars for the SEC when it becomes just a regional attraction.
This post was edited on 8/24/21 at 11:47 am
Posted on 8/24/21 at 11:52 am to bad93ex
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To play Devil's advocate here, the SEC can be labeled as top-heavy as well with Bama and LSU the only schools to win it all in the past decade.
It's not about championships chief. It's about money and drawing power. The SEC has the most games that draw at least 4 million viewers in the last 6 years and now they're adding more with Texas and OU.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 12:28 pm to RLDSC FAN
Only thing about the alliance that would be nice and envious to see is if they announce some type of schedule of cross conference games, a la basketball's ACC- Big 10 challenge.
Imagine coming up with a scheduled game every year that is set up to be relatively fair across the 3 conferences.
For example, a schedule could be
tOSU - Clemson
USC - Penn State
Oregon - Michigan
Wisconsin - Florida State
Etc.
Of course after the first 5 or 6 matchups, interest could wane quickly.
Not many viewers are interested in
Arizona - Northwestern
Imagine coming up with a scheduled game every year that is set up to be relatively fair across the 3 conferences.
For example, a schedule could be
tOSU - Clemson
USC - Penn State
Oregon - Michigan
Wisconsin - Florida State
Etc.
Of course after the first 5 or 6 matchups, interest could wane quickly.
Not many viewers are interested in
Arizona - Northwestern
Posted on 8/24/21 at 12:35 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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It's not about championships chief. It's about money and drawing power. The SEC has the most games that draw at least 4 million viewers in the last 6 years and now they're adding more with Texas and OU.
Yep, it's all about eyeballs and drawing power. Alliance members make up 10 of the top 15 schools (and nine of the top 10) with number of living alumni and in the case of the B1G schools on the list they are spread throughout the country, which is a huge reason why the B1G Network was able to sign carriage agreements with DirecTV, Dish and the major cable providers and the Pac 12 Network was unable to. SEC has the better football competition while the Alliance has the eyeballs, it will be an interesting battle for the TV $. Adding Texas to the SEC was huge in terms of living alumni and prestige.
The 15 Biggest College Alumni Networks in the U.S. (from 2017)
15. University of Florida
14. University of Illinois
13. University of Wisconsin
12. Texas A&M
11. New York University
10. Purdue University
9. University of Texas
8. Rutgers University
7. University of California- Berkeley
6. Ohio State
5. UCLA
4. Michigan State University
3. University of Michigan
2. Indiana University
1. Penn State University
LINK
This post was edited on 8/24/21 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 8/24/21 at 1:08 pm to AZBadgerFan
Posted on 8/24/21 at 1:15 pm to RLDSC FAN
Thanks Kevin Warren:
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The three conferences remain competitors in every sense but are committed to collaborating and providing thought leadership on various opportunities and challenges facing college athletics, including:
Student-athlete mental and physical health, safety, wellness and support
Strong academic experience and support
Diversity, equity and inclusion
Social justice
Gender equity
Future structure of the NCAA
Federal legislative efforts
Postseason championships and future formats
Posted on 8/24/21 at 1:18 pm to KosmoCramer
I haven't read through the entire thread, so are they actually combining into 1 big conference or nah?
Posted on 8/24/21 at 1:18 pm to AZBadgerFan
half of those have absolutely no football following and thats even before we get into this isnt going to be one super conference with collectively negotiated media rights under a single banner
the pac 12 is still the pac 12. the B1G is still the B1G. they are just announcing that they will vote together on issues going forward and probably an agreement to not schedule the SEC in OOC going forward
Posted on 8/24/21 at 1:19 pm to WestCoastAg
Ill be curious to see how this impacts the Ohio State vs Georgia series that is scheduled.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 1:24 pm to AZBadgerFan
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Alliance members make up 10 of the top 15 schools (and nine of the top 10) with number of living alumni and in the case of the B1G schools on the list they are spread throughout the country,
You're on the right path but it's not about the number of alumni it's about the number of viewers a team can draw. Here's top teams that have drawn 4 million viewers in a game and the number of times.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 1:25 pm to KosmoCramer
This is stupid. Social justice? What the F does that have to do with the CFB playoff? Here's an idea... in the words of Fletcher Reed..."quit breaking the law assholes".
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