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re: Big Ten, Pac-12, ACC expected to formally announce alliance today

Posted on 8/24/21 at 10:11 am to
Posted by kywildcatfanone
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Posted on 8/24/21 at 10:11 am to
Posted by ShowMeHorns
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 8/24/21 at 10:13 am to
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Basically eliminate the SEC from having any attractive non-conference games.


That would be a bad move, the SEC would say ok, I'll add Clemson, Florida State, Oklahoma State, West Virginia, NC State, Virginia Tech, Kansas, and maybe Texas Tech or Virginia, get to 24 teams, play an entire 11 or 12 game SEC schedule and say f*ck your alliance
Posted by Hogwallop
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 8/24/21 at 10:34 am to
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To me that's the only power move this alliance could make. Basically eliminate the SEC from having any attractive non-conference games. You want to see good non-conference games? Well you're going to have to consume the alliance's product.


Would they also eliminate games with WAC,MAC, Big12, AAC and all others? Doubtful, but if they did isolate only SEC, it would be a disaster for the alliance.
Posted by Brisketeer
Texas
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 8/24/21 at 10:48 am to
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If the Alliance voted against expanding the playoffs that work be a problem for the SEC. With 16 teams that will now include the best 2 of the Big 12 creates a lot of mouths to feed and only 4 spots at the table.


Not really. The SEC is way more likely to get 2 out of the 4 in the playoff than 6 of 12. With only 2 spots available (of the 4), it really creates a problem for the other power 5 conferences. Delaying playoff expansion isn't as smart or strategic as they think.
Posted by CU_Tigers4life
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Posted on 8/24/21 at 10:49 am to
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Would they also eliminate games with WAC,MAC, Big12, AAC and all others? Doubtful, but if they did isolate only SEC, it would be a disaster for the alliance.


Sure they could. The 3 leagues have 40 schools plus Notre Dame and could replaces those leagues and round-robin games among the 3 leagues. Is it a Good idea? Who knows?

I'm interested in how it would effect the rivalry games
in the ACC and SEC:

Clemson-South Carolina
Kentucky- Louisville
Florida-Florida State
Ga-Ga Tech

This is where the lawyers and accountants are making the recommendation because the average fan doesn't get a word in these discussions
Posted by CU_Tigers4life
Georgia
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Posted on 8/24/21 at 10:51 am to
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Not really. The SEC is way more likely to get 2 out of the 4 in the playoff than 6 of 12. With only 2 spots available (of the 4), it really creates a problem for the other power 5 conferences. Delaying playoff expansion isn't as smart or strategic as they think.


Oh, I think getting 4-6 games in the playoffs is a big part of the SEC adding those two teams. The SEC is already getting two teams in the CFP and this would most likely screw every SEC school not named Alabama
Posted by RLDSC FAN
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Posted on 8/24/21 at 10:56 am to
Yahoo article.

LINK

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The Alliance will center on a shared vision for the future governance of college athletics. For now, the Alliance will mean the three leagues can, among other things, form a voting block that will blunt the growing influence of an expanded SEC. It also allows three leagues that consider themselves like-minded to gain voting power on issues as the NCAA’s influence diminishes.

Discussions at the university presidential level have been significant and give the alliance the potential to be much more meaningful. Those talks have included both regular-season scheduling and how an expanded College Football Playoff would operate, sources told Yahoo Sports.

This post was edited on 8/24/21 at 11:01 am
Posted by Hogwallop
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 8/24/21 at 11:10 am to
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Sure they could. The 3 leagues have 40 schools plus Notre Dame and could replaces those leagues and round-robin games among the 3 leagues. Is it a Good idea? Who knows


Obviously it can be done but it's just about as obvious that the outcome would be bad.

Posted by KillTheGophers
Member since Jan 2016
6226 posts
Posted on 8/24/21 at 11:19 am to
Sucks to be Baylor, Texas Tech, TCU, Kansas State. These schools are royally screwed.

I think Kansas and Iowa State land somewhere.

I have no clue where OSU or WVU land.
Posted by Ralph_Wiggum
Sugarland
Member since Jul 2005
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Posted on 8/24/21 at 11:46 am to
What we don't want is for college football to become just a regional sport. If the SEC takes Clemson and Florida State and the other conferences just become like the MAC or C-USA or AAC then college football will not be able to command the dollars for television and the bowl games and playoffs will suffer and eventually the revenue will go down.

Sure the SEC can become a super league but also just a minor league for the NFL and the rest of the country will stop following the SEC. I mean some SEC folks may dream of other games becoming quaint like Michigan and Ohio State becoming a version of Harvard-Yale, but the rest of the country will not make it a point to watch Alabama-Auburn or LSU-Alabama or Florida-Florida St if the games mean nothing to them. At best in Michigan, Illinois, and Pennsylvania the SEC becomes an appetizer for the NFL or the future equivalent of Bowling Green v Western Michigan in regards to viewing interest. ESPN isn't going to pay the same amount of dollars for the SEC when it becomes just a regional attraction.
This post was edited on 8/24/21 at 11:47 am
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 8/24/21 at 11:52 am to
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To play Devil's advocate here, the SEC can be labeled as top-heavy as well with Bama and LSU the only schools to win it all in the past decade.


It's not about championships chief. It's about money and drawing power. The SEC has the most games that draw at least 4 million viewers in the last 6 years and now they're adding more with Texas and OU.
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
62898 posts
Posted on 8/24/21 at 12:28 pm to
Only thing about the alliance that would be nice and envious to see is if they announce some type of schedule of cross conference games, a la basketball's ACC- Big 10 challenge.
Imagine coming up with a scheduled game every year that is set up to be relatively fair across the 3 conferences.
For example, a schedule could be
tOSU - Clemson
USC - Penn State
Oregon - Michigan
Wisconsin - Florida State
Etc.
Of course after the first 5 or 6 matchups, interest could wane quickly.
Not many viewers are interested in
Arizona - Northwestern
Posted by AZBadgerFan
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Member since May 2013
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Posted on 8/24/21 at 12:35 pm to
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It's not about championships chief. It's about money and drawing power. The SEC has the most games that draw at least 4 million viewers in the last 6 years and now they're adding more with Texas and OU.


Yep, it's all about eyeballs and drawing power. Alliance members make up 10 of the top 15 schools (and nine of the top 10) with number of living alumni and in the case of the B1G schools on the list they are spread throughout the country, which is a huge reason why the B1G Network was able to sign carriage agreements with DirecTV, Dish and the major cable providers and the Pac 12 Network was unable to. SEC has the better football competition while the Alliance has the eyeballs, it will be an interesting battle for the TV $. Adding Texas to the SEC was huge in terms of living alumni and prestige.

The 15 Biggest College Alumni Networks in the U.S. (from 2017)

15. University of Florida
14. University of Illinois
13. University of Wisconsin
12. Texas A&M
11. New York University
10. Purdue University
9. University of Texas
8. Rutgers University
7. University of California- Berkeley
6. Ohio State
5. UCLA
4. Michigan State University
3. University of Michigan
2. Indiana University
1. Penn State University

LINK
This post was edited on 8/24/21 at 12:37 pm
Posted by RLDSC FAN
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 8/24/21 at 1:08 pm to
Official press release

LINK
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
76551 posts
Posted on 8/24/21 at 1:15 pm to
Thanks Kevin Warren:

quote:

The three conferences remain competitors in every sense but are committed to collaborating and providing thought leadership on various opportunities and challenges facing college athletics, including:

Student-athlete mental and physical health, safety, wellness and support

Strong academic experience and support

Diversity, equity and inclusion

Social justice

Gender equity

Future structure of the NCAA

Federal legislative efforts

Postseason championships and future formats


Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111148 posts
Posted on 8/24/21 at 1:18 pm to
I haven't read through the entire thread, so are they actually combining into 1 big conference or nah?
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
145255 posts
Posted on 8/24/21 at 1:18 pm to


half of those have absolutely no football following and thats even before we get into this isnt going to be one super conference with collectively negotiated media rights under a single banner

the pac 12 is still the pac 12. the B1G is still the B1G. they are just announcing that they will vote together on issues going forward and probably an agreement to not schedule the SEC in OOC going forward
Posted by Buckeye Backer
Columbus, Ohio
Member since Aug 2009
9265 posts
Posted on 8/24/21 at 1:19 pm to
Ill be curious to see how this impacts the Ohio State vs Georgia series that is scheduled.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
40093 posts
Posted on 8/24/21 at 1:24 pm to
quote:

Alliance members make up 10 of the top 15 schools (and nine of the top 10) with number of living alumni and in the case of the B1G schools on the list they are spread throughout the country,


You're on the right path but it's not about the number of alumni it's about the number of viewers a team can draw. Here's top teams that have drawn 4 million viewers in a game and the number of times.

Posted by Indiangensing
Member since Nov 2017
1522 posts
Posted on 8/24/21 at 1:25 pm to
This is stupid. Social justice? What the F does that have to do with the CFB playoff? Here's an idea... in the words of Fletcher Reed..."quit breaking the law assholes".
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