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Big Ten, Pac-12, ACC expected to formally announce alliance today
Posted on 8/24/21 at 8:47 am
Posted on 8/24/21 at 8:47 am
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The Big Ten, ACC and Pac-12 are expected to formally announce their alliance on Tuesday at 2 p.m. ET, multiple people with knowledge of the situation told The Athletic. The three leagues plan to work together on multiple fronts, from College Football Playoff expansion to NCAA governance issues and annual football scheduling.
Schools within the three conferences believe they are like-minded, that they want to continue to prioritize broad-based sports offerings and that the academic profile of their institutions matters — as does graduating athletes.
"You all know the importance to us and the Big Ten around the concept of like-minded institutions," Penn State athletic director Sandy Barbour said on Saturday.
"The Big Ten really prides itself on being more than just an athletics conference. ... If you look at that footprint of Pac 12, ACC and the Big Ten, I think the number is 40 percent of the AAU (Association of American Universities) membership lies in those three conferences."
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ETA: yahoo article for those that may not have a subscription to the athletic
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The Alliance will center on a shared vision for the future governance of college athletics. For now, the Alliance will mean the three leagues can, among other things, form a voting block that will blunt the growing influence of an expanded SEC. It also allows three leagues that consider themselves like-minded to gain voting power on issues as the NCAA’s influence diminishes.
Discussions at the university presidential level have been significant and give the alliance the potential to be much more meaningful. Those talks have included both regular-season scheduling and how an expanded College Football Playoff would operate, sources told Yahoo Sports.
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ETA: Press release
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This post was edited on 8/24/21 at 1:10 pm
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Posted on 8/24/21 at 8:49 am to RLDSC FAN
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Schools within the three conferences believe they are like-minded, that they want to continue to prioritize broad-based sports offerings and that the academic profile of their institutions matters — as does graduating athletes.
So they're trying to pretend this rash decision solely about football isn't a rash decision solely about football?
Posted on 8/24/21 at 8:52 am to RLDSC FAN
They need to be careful not to force the SEC's hand. This could backfire.
If the SEC feels threatened by this, it is going to cherry pick and attempt to poach the best programs from those conferences.
If the SEC feels threatened by this, it is going to cherry pick and attempt to poach the best programs from those conferences.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 8:53 am to RLDSC FAN
The problem with these conferences is not geographic reach. The problem is they have no good football teams other than Ohio St and Clemson.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 9:00 am to moneyg
All this is going to do is create a massive bidding war for the next CFP TV deal....I mean massive!
Right now ESPN is the gatekeeper and should Fox and CBS and even other networks get involved we could be seeing ludicrous money. Having the voting power to affect playoff composition and TV money as a unified block has advantages
Right now ESPN is the gatekeeper and should Fox and CBS and even other networks get involved we could be seeing ludicrous money. Having the voting power to affect playoff composition and TV money as a unified block has advantages
Posted on 8/24/21 at 9:05 am to RLDSC FAN
Just call it what it is, instead of covering it under the "academic like-mindedness" guise. The SEC already owns college football, and adding UT and Oklahoma has scared the rest of the college football demo.
Those institutions rely just as much on the $$ produced from college football as the SEC does, this is just an attempt to keep some of these programs "relevant."
To disguise it as a "like-minded academic and athletic alliance" is so laughable. The Big 10 and Pac 12 thought they had the power to stop college football as we know it last year due to COVID. Then the SEC pretty much said they don't give a shite what other conferences do, the plan in the Southeast was to let the boys play ball. The Big10 and Pac12 then tucked their tails between their legs and backtracked on all previous statements.
I'm all for the "alliance," as it hopefully brings some much needed competition to some overall weak conferences (outside of the Big10). I just think it's funny that these conferences are doing this in a disguise of "academics and like-mindedness," and not because the SEC, the already strongest conference in college football, just got stronger.
The truth is, if the SEC wanted any team from any of these conferences, the SEC could get 95% of them. I know it, you know it, so to say that academics is a primary reason for all of this is the worst disguise ever
Those institutions rely just as much on the $$ produced from college football as the SEC does, this is just an attempt to keep some of these programs "relevant."
To disguise it as a "like-minded academic and athletic alliance" is so laughable. The Big 10 and Pac 12 thought they had the power to stop college football as we know it last year due to COVID. Then the SEC pretty much said they don't give a shite what other conferences do, the plan in the Southeast was to let the boys play ball. The Big10 and Pac12 then tucked their tails between their legs and backtracked on all previous statements.
I'm all for the "alliance," as it hopefully brings some much needed competition to some overall weak conferences (outside of the Big10). I just think it's funny that these conferences are doing this in a disguise of "academics and like-mindedness," and not because the SEC, the already strongest conference in college football, just got stronger.
The truth is, if the SEC wanted any team from any of these conferences, the SEC could get 95% of them. I know it, you know it, so to say that academics is a primary reason for all of this is the worst disguise ever
This post was edited on 8/24/21 at 9:09 am
Posted on 8/24/21 at 9:06 am to CU_Tigers4life
How can the ACC allow its ESPN Network to simply be a bargaining chip for the so-called "alliance"? They seem to have more to lose than the others.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 9:11 am to RLDSC FAN
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Schools within the three conferences believe they are like-minded, that they want to continue to prioritize broad-based sports offerings and that the academic profile of their institutions matters — as does graduating athletes
Oh, you!
Posted on 8/24/21 at 9:15 am to bamameister
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How can the ACC allow its ESPN Network to simply be a bargaining chip for the so-called "alliance"? They seem to have more to lose than the others.
I don't claim to be an expert, but I can't think of any other real advantage to this alliance than 2025 when the CFP contract is up for renegotiation. The leagues aren't going to merge so what else could it be for? You don't need an alliance just to schedule football games among each league.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 9:24 am to RLDSC FAN
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Schools within the three conferences believe they are like-minded
L$ke m$nded
Posted on 8/24/21 at 9:25 am to RLDSC FAN
I figure that a lot of infighting between members of the three conferences will cause this to fail.
The PAC 12 is in its own little universe where it thinks it is a player because they spend on tons of sports no one watches instead of football, which brings in the money.
The Big Ten and ACC, OTOH, are extremely top-heavy. Clemson, tOSU, Penn State, etc, are leaders dragged down by the likes of Illinois, Rutgers, Maryland, etc.
Provided the SEC can keep cohesion even as they expand to 16, I figure it will remain a more effective entity than this bloated mess.
The PAC 12 is in its own little universe where it thinks it is a player because they spend on tons of sports no one watches instead of football, which brings in the money.
The Big Ten and ACC, OTOH, are extremely top-heavy. Clemson, tOSU, Penn State, etc, are leaders dragged down by the likes of Illinois, Rutgers, Maryland, etc.
Provided the SEC can keep cohesion even as they expand to 16, I figure it will remain a more effective entity than this bloated mess.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 9:31 am to usc6158
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The problem with these conferences is not geographic reach. The problem is they have no good football teams other than Ohio St and Clemson.
They are both big problems. If the Alliance is intended to be an impediment or rival to the SEC, it is doomed from the start. The SEC will soon have 16-equal member universities, including approximately half of the blue blood football schools in a neat, contiguous region of the southeast. Vanderbilt aside, the other 15 members share more commonalities than differences. For the foreseeable future, it will be the most stable entity in the college sports landscape.
On the other hand, the Alliance has a loose affiliation of vastly different universities across three conferences with very different goals and capabilities, despite what lip-service they may give to the public about having common goals and working for a common purpose. The B1G will use the PAC-12 and ACC to their advantage, but they must know that those two conferences top-to-bottom would serve only to dilute their product and result in a larger gap to the SEC, especially once Texas and OU have blue and yellow conference logos painted on their football fields.
I agree with the sentiment that the Alliance conferences should tread lightly, all the SEC would need to do to take them down entirely would be to snag its choice members from the ACC (say FSU, Clemson, UNC, and UVA, for example) and breakaway from the existing system to forms its own league. At that point, the Alliance is a non-revenue sports league with a few frustrated blue bloods stuck in the SEC's rear-view mirror.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 9:31 am to teke184
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The Big Ten and ACC, OTOH, are extremely top-heavy. Clemson, tOSU, Penn State, etc, are leaders dragged down by the likes of Illinois, Rutgers, Maryland, etc.
To play Devil's advocate here, the SEC can be labeled as top-heavy as well with Bama and LSU the only schools to win it all in the past decade.
This alliance will fail since the ACC is looking to add Notre Dame along with Penn State in order to bolster their conference. Once that happens does Ohio State stick around or will they start looking for another conference especially if Warren is still calling shots.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 9:32 am to RLDSC FAN
It's time for the SEC and the SBC to formally announce our alliance and end this charade of amateur athletics once and for all.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 9:32 am to CU_Tigers4life
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I don't claim to be an expert, but I can't think of any other real advantage to this alliance than 2025 when the CFP contract is up for renegotiation. The leagues aren't going to merge so what else could it be for? You don't need an alliance just to schedule football games among each league.
You could freeze out the SEC but a lot of SEC programs have non-conference games scheduled with Big 10, Pac 12, and ACC programs that extends over a decade so I'm not sure how that would be handled. To me that's the only power move this alliance could make. Basically eliminate the SEC from having any attractive non-conference games. You want to see good non-conference games? Well you're going to have to consume the alliance's product.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 9:35 am to RLDSC FAN
Their ‘alliance’ will be irrelevant when Clemson and Florida State bolt for the SEC and the SEC leaves the NCAA.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 9:39 am to SportsGuyNOLA
This assumes Florida and South Carolina relent on their attempts to block their in state rivals.
Granted, their power to do so goes down dramatically every time the league adds teams.
Granted, their power to do so goes down dramatically every time the league adds teams.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 9:49 am to skullhawk
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You could freeze out the SEC but a lot of SEC programs have non-conference games scheduled with Big 10, Pac 12, and ACC programs that extends over a decade so I'm not sure how that would be handled. To me that's the only power move this alliance could make. Basically eliminate the SEC from having any attractive non-conference games. You want to see good non-conference games? Well you're going to have to consume the alliance's product.
I think this is what's coming.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 9:49 am to RLDSC FAN
So I am to believe that these three conferences and their members were able to come together in a little over a month to create a master plan for competing with the SEC? This announcement will be underwhelming to say the least.
Posted on 8/24/21 at 10:11 am to skullhawk
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You could freeze out the SEC but a lot of SEC programs have non-conference games scheduled with Big 10, Pac 12, and ACC programs that extends over a decade so I'm not sure how that would be handled. To me that's the only power move this alliance could make. Basically eliminate the SEC from having any attractive non-conference games. You want to see good non-conference games? Well you're going to have to consume the alliance's product.
If the Alliance voted against expanding the playoffs that work be a problem for the SEC. With 16 teams that will now include the best 2 of the Big 12 creates a lot of mouths to feed and only 4 spots at the table.
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