re: Best programs of the past 5 years

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then I think that average final ranking should be a metric

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That would be fair

Also using production of high ranking NFL talent as a metric is very questionable to me.

Some players who very good in college don't show up at all on the NFL radar(Tim Tebow could be the poster boy for this in a year). The opposite is true also some players are drafted highly based on their potential.

No way anyone should be ahead of UF.

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No way anyone should be ahead of UF

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USC has finished in the top 4 every year for the last 6 years. UF has not.

Consider I said this:

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Actually, it would be close.

I think those records are close enough that the championship carries enough weight to push it over the top. Banners fly forever. They are really, really valuable when evaluating a program. The gap might be too large in records, but it is within the range at which I'd trade the record for the title. Consistency is very valuable, but not as valuable as titles.

To put another way, I'm pretty sure everyone would rank the 58-7 program with a title over the 60-5 program without one. the question is: when does consistency start to be more valuable than the title?

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And you replied with this:

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If we're using BCS titles as a measure, then I think that average final ranking should be a metric, as it combines both consistency and titles. Plus, if you toss in variance, you REALLY see who's consistent.

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You can see how I was confused. You still focused on this fabled consistency and even argued to further minimize titles and instead look at average final ranking. Sure, you sort of admit it’s a factor, but you have made it pretty clear you don’t think it is a large factor.

On this, we disagree. While consistency matters, as does final rank and won-loss record, nothing matters more than titles (and I include conference titles). I clearly value titles far more than you do (as evident in the argument that I would rank a the 15 loss program as almost equal and you think that view is, and I quote “fricking retarded”).

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urban meyer was the coach in 07 when they played.

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So you aren't talking about 03 Michigan? Then who the frick cares.

The debate was about LSU v. OU/USC v. UM

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Absolutely, completely wrong

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The methodology is completely subjective. you are wrong here.

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I think ALL should be factors. But to argue that a title has no value is just as absurd as saying that it is the only metric with value. National titles matter.

The question for any system is this: how much does it matter?

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They shoudl matter little, since they are not won on the field. Nobody can argue that a 1 loss UF team was better than a 1 loss USC team, a 1 loss Texas team, or even an undefeated Utah team. It is ridiculous.

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when we beat them in 06 rose bowl UM was ranked #2 most of the year till they lost to OSU. most of that team is now in the NFL. its stupid when people say oh you beat UM big deal

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Clearly you don't understand, when teams from the SEC clobber teams from the Big 10, it is because the SEC is so great and dominant. When USC or teams from any other conference clobber teams from the Big 10 it is because the Big 10 sucks.

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You are wrong again. Most fans don't know shite period, so engaging the masses means very little to me. Ask the Vegas experts who would have been favored in a USC Florida matchup after the bowls and it was USC. Those peoples opinions are what matter in who is best. Not Joe blow who really does not know shite.
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Speaking of not knowing shite:

Look at how they ended up last year...that little numeral 1 next to UF and numeral 2 next to USC is a hint

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