re: Basketball foul: touching the hand after the shot is in the air

I seriously can't believe this is an actual conversation. If they don't call it, players are purposely slapping the shite out of players after jumpers. Shane Battier would have had a field day.

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Yes, but he's asking why? We all know what the rule is, I believe the question is whether it is a good rule.

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The point is that the rules aren't really comparable. Hitting the QB in football just after he throws is legal because otherwise you'd have to require 300 pound men to stop on a dime. In basketball, you aren't supposed to be making contact with a shooter at all, so why should you be allowed to make contact at an even less necessary time?

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Roughing the passer isn't called if the qb is tackled a split second after he throws the ball because it doesn't affect the trajectory of the already-released ball.

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That's why you think it isn't called? The defense is supposed to affect the trajectory. Nothing illegal about it.

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then why follow through at all?

you cant be serious here

think of a Quarterbacks arm being hit as he releases a football. It can affect distance, and most importantly, accuracy

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Mother of God. This is one of the dumbest statements I have ever seen on Tiger Droppings, which is saying a lot.

Back in high school I would go up to the Rayvegas rec and ball on some brothas. 1 lone teenage white boy in gym full of cotton patch black dudes, some thrice my age. One night in a heated game we were up 14-13, playing to 15 by ones and twos. I catch a pass at the top of the key, elevate and shoot a 15 footer. As soon as I release the ball Lavontarious plows into me like a line backer. I call foul. One of the few times in my life I have called a foul. As soon as I call foul I look up to see my shot go in. Drained it. Game over. Till Lavontarious evoked the little known (to white people) ghetto rule of "false call".

"False call, he had done shot when I hit him".

"Well Lavontarious, it was a foul. But it doesn't really matter cause I made it"

"Nah, I aint foul you. You had done shot"

"Still a foul, but it's now irrelevant. I made the shot"

"Yea, but you had false called before it went in"


I turned to look at my 4 teammates for support. They looked perplexed by the issues at hand, but were adamant that we had won the game. The 5 on the other side were having none of it. Pandemonium ensued. It was hard for me to follow along with the conflict because they completely abandoned the English language and reverted to what I believe was Swahili. Finally Moses, the rec godfather, the voice of reason, intervened. "Hold up mutha frickers!". Silence befell the rec. Tribal counsel had begun. Issue #1 was brought to the table.

Issue #1- Is it a foul if you get plowed after you release the shot?

Moses' Verdict- Nah that aint no foul. He had done shot it.

Issue #2- Does the bucket count?

Moses' Verdict- Bucket good, game over.

Hysteria breaks out between the opposing 5. False Call! False Call! He had called a false call!

Moses ponders this. "Well now dats true, dats true he says". Then he reverses his decision.

"No Basket!"

I turn and look at my teammates, who let the decision soak in for a second. "frick it, check it up" our point guard little Kenny declares. Game back on, and they got the rock.

Hell of a story, and you left us just hanging right on that cliff.

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Say someone slapped the shite out of you every time you fired the gun? How many times would they have to slap you before it began to affect your shot?

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I legit laughed out loud.

That's a well known rule that if you call a foul then the basket doesn't count. You gotta decide if you want the foul or the bucket when it happens before it makes it to the hoop. But you get the ball back on the foul and the shot doesn't count.

Also, there is a feel as a shooter. If someone gets up in your grill as you shoot you shoot a little different. You know when someone is closing in and goes for the block if they have a chance to do it. That will alter the shot and is less likely to go in, and is a great play if you block the shot. I pretty much think this rule is a punishment for the defender missing the block since he more than likely altered the shot, but fricked up and missed the ball and hit the shooters hand.

It is to help the shooter and to make sure the defender does not just sell out and hit the shooter's hand all the time. No need to add this to the game.

Not at all. It happens.

on plays similar to this



or this




the split second when the ball has left the hand but not allowed to follow thru.