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re: Barry Bonds sure has lost some weight from his playing days
Posted on 1/28/11 at 5:29 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 1/28/11 at 5:29 pm to Lester Earl
Maris hit 275 HR in his career. 61 is 22% of his total.
Anderson hit 209 HR for his career 50 is 24% of the total.
I'm pretty sure Roger Maris wasn't the only guy to have a career year during that time frame.
Anderson hit 209 HR for his career 50 is 24% of the total.
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but when 10 guys per season start to have career years, it raises a red flag.
I'm pretty sure Roger Maris wasn't the only guy to have a career year during that time frame.
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Posted on 1/28/11 at 5:34 pm to H-Town Tiger
Clearly, those can only be explained by juicing.
Posted on 1/28/11 at 5:35 pm to H-Town Tiger
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In any event comparing 2000 to 2010 is just cherry picking.
1994: 3306
1995: 4081
1996: 4962
1997: 4640
1998: 5064
1999: 5528
2000: 5693
2001: 5458
2002: 5059
2003: 5207
2004: 5451
2005: 5017
2006: 5386
2007: 4957
2008: 4878
2009: 4655
2010: 4620
You don't see any patterns there?
Consider the height of the steroid era started in the early 90s, and for the 2004 season MLB starts PED testing.
You may call that coincidental, I call that a pattern.
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Avg like HR/game are more telling than raw totals. That's pretty easy to understand.
1.17 in 2000 doesn't seem like a lot when you can't see the rest of the sample.
I would venture to say that may be one of the top 5 highest figures in MLB history.
.949 a game for 2010
Those numbers right there present nearly a 20% decrease. You because there are only a 2 season representation and are in a decimal form that most cannot quantify, it does not seem like a lot. I think it is even fooling you.
This post was edited on 1/28/11 at 5:36 pm
Posted on 1/28/11 at 5:35 pm to Moustache
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Posted by Moustache
What people fail to realize is the roids didn't give him an incredible eye for the strikezone and the fastest top hand in baseball. Dude is a hall of famer with or without roids.
Agree, I would put him top three hitter all time, with or without.
Posted on 1/28/11 at 5:36 pm to Baloo
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Studies done of HR rates during the "steroid era" show that the HR rate went up by about 2-3%. Remember, this could also be attributable to smaller ballparks and thin-handled bats. There's virtually no evidence of a power jump.
can you link some of those?
because my knee jerk reaction is to completely disagree
A good power hitter in the 80s might hit 30 home runs... a good power hitter in the late 90s hit 45 plus
Posted on 1/28/11 at 5:40 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Maris hit 275 HR in his career. 61 is 22% of his total.
Anderson hit 209 HR for his career 50 is 24% of the total.
Brady Anderson had just under 2000 more plate appearances than Roger Maris did over his career.
Why not post Brady Anderson hit a HR every 30 ABs compared to Maris's once every 18 AB's?
Who is more likely to hit 50 HR's looking at that stat?
shite, throw out each of their top seasons and it probably looks even more obscene.
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I'm pretty sure Roger Maris wasn't the only guy to have a career year during that time frame.
Probably not.
Which time period do you think would be more likely to see spikes like that?
1960s or 1990s?
This post was edited on 1/28/11 at 5:41 pm
Posted on 1/28/11 at 5:44 pm to Lester Earl
I'm not fooled by the decimals, there was a big drop from 2000 to 2010. In btwn there was a lot of flucuation. There was a bigger drop from 87 to 88 that can not be explained by steroids and testing.
Posted on 1/28/11 at 5:50 pm to molsusports
Mo, I posted a link on page 1 to a podcast, the first half talks about bb and ped's. Its about 30 minutes. I'll look more for the paper this weekend. From the 80s to the 90s they added 4 teams and built many, usually smaller new ball parks.
Posted on 1/28/11 at 5:53 pm to Lester Earl
There were better offensives totals in the 90's but I have no idea if there were more spikes. There are many possible explainations for the increase besides ped's.
Posted on 1/28/11 at 6:02 pm to H-Town Tiger
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There are many possible explainations for the increase besides ped's.
and the explanation for the drop in the last 5 years?
coincidence, right?
Posted on 1/28/11 at 6:05 pm to Lester Earl
No there could lots. Didn't you say they started testing in 04? If so whby did it go up in 06?
Posted on 1/28/11 at 6:07 pm to H-Town Tiger
1 or 2 year period to phase out completely would be my guess.
btw do you have the top 5 MLB season in HR per game on hand?
btw do you have the top 5 MLB season in HR per game on hand?
Posted on 1/28/11 at 6:12 pm to Lester Earl
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you have the top 5 MLB season in HR per game on hand?
1998 was the first time it went over 5,000. It stayed over 5,000 every year until 2007. The high was in 2000.
Posted on 1/28/11 at 6:13 pm to H-Town Tiger
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There was a bigger drop from 87 to 88 that can not be explained by steroids and testing.
Just like in 1968 The year of the Pitcher was 1988. WHY??? We may never know. I don't need any IN-DEPTH stats and shite to tell me this.
Posted on 1/28/11 at 6:28 pm to dukke v
I found this interesting-
post WWII HRs
from 1947-1959 the NL hit more HRs than the AL
from 1960-1997 the AL hit more HRs than the NL (with 2 exceptions '66 &'72)
from 1997-2007 the NL hit more HRs than the AL
post WWII HRs
from 1947-1959 the NL hit more HRs than the AL
from 1960-1997 the AL hit more HRs than the NL (with 2 exceptions '66 &'72)
from 1997-2007 the NL hit more HRs than the AL
Posted on 1/28/11 at 6:29 pm to TigerintheNO
GOOD WORK right there. 
Posted on 1/28/11 at 6:37 pm to TigerintheNO
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1998 was the first time it went over 5,000. It stayed over 5,000 every year until 2007. The high was in 2000.
just outlier years and coincidence, i assume.
Posted on 1/28/11 at 6:59 pm to H-Town Tiger
Since we are on the topic of Maris
1961 Maris had 698 plate appearances his highest total ever, 590 at bats which was tied for his most ever, and played in 161 games his most ever.
The year before 61 Maris hit 39 in only 136 games
The year after 61 Maris did play in 57 games and hit 33 home runs in 590 at bats.
Not saying if he did or did not partake in anything to enhance his performance but he did have his career year in all areas.
1961 Maris had 698 plate appearances his highest total ever, 590 at bats which was tied for his most ever, and played in 161 games his most ever.
The year before 61 Maris hit 39 in only 136 games
The year after 61 Maris did play in 57 games and hit 33 home runs in 590 at bats.
Not saying if he did or did not partake in anything to enhance his performance but he did have his career year in all areas.
Posted on 1/28/11 at 7:04 pm to Lester Earl
On page five, you say that you don't think that everyone was using. Well, the only way that what you're saying on the last couple of pages can make sense is if you believe that everyobe is using. So which is it?
Posted on 1/28/11 at 7:11 pm to Lester Earl
No there could lots. Didn't you say they started testing in 04? If so whby did it go up in 06?
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