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re: Barry Bonds sure has lost some weight from his playing days
Posted on 1/28/11 at 1:31 pm to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 1/28/11 at 1:31 pm to H-Town Tiger
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if setroids improve performance, why did they not improve the performance of these guys? If the consensus about steriods is correct, there should be no such thing as a guy who used and wasn't worth a damn.
huh? so you're saying that steroids should automatically bring a middle-of-the-pack player to elite status? that existing talent doesn't matter?
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I'm still waiting for someone to explain why Roger Maris could hit 61 with out steroids, but other guys could not.
bigger ballparks?
ETA: I was confused on the first part. I thought you were coming from the other side of the fence. My b.
This post was edited on 1/28/11 at 1:33 pm
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Posted on 1/28/11 at 1:32 pm to H-Town Tiger
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if setroids improve performance, why did they not improve the performance of these guys? If the consensus about steriods is correct, there should be no such thing as a guy who used and wasn't worth a damn.
Baseball is such a weird sport. The smallest things can be the difference between great seasons and bad seasons. They won't make anyone great, it still takes hard work and talent. But all else equal, the person on steroids will blow the other person out of the water. These other guys were probably shitty and had shitty work ethic so it didn't make a difference, or maybe they were already strong and they just had shitty swings so steroids really didn't help them.
Posted on 1/28/11 at 1:33 pm to barry
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Confirmed steroid players had career years far beyond anything they ever had while on steroids. I'm not sure what more proof you need.
so no players ever had extrem outlier seasons before PED? Not to sound like a broken record, but a guy who never hit 40, hit 61 in 1961, long before PED.
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it shows how Bonds bat speed increased in his late 30's, that just doesn't happen, its physically impossible unless you use PED's.
if it can not physically happen, then there should be a study that confirms it. That its rare is not proof. bonds posses rare skill. I link a pod cast on page 1, the guy interviewed claims studies do not show steroids improve performance for baseball. I can't find his paper thought, i think it might be a pay article.
Posted on 1/28/11 at 1:38 pm to H-Town Tiger
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so no players ever had extrem outlier seasons before PED? Not to sound like a broken record, but a guy who never hit 40, hit 61 in 1961, long before PED.
No it can happen, but its was happening with steroid players, the simplest explanation tends to be true. Steroids were around and used by people way before 1961.
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That its rare
Its not rare, its undocumented in the history of man that a person reverses aging. All you people are so laughable that you think steroids didn't have an effect on players. HR numbers just magically went up and they have recently just "magically" gone down with players hitting in the SAME ball parks.
This post was edited on 1/28/11 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 1/28/11 at 1:44 pm to barry
I do believe steroids impacted home runs. You would be foolish not to think such.
But I'm saying the talent level must be there in order for it to have any kind of impact.
But I'm saying the talent level must be there in order for it to have any kind of impact.
Posted on 1/28/11 at 1:50 pm to SCUBABlake
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I'm not questioning why everyone is picking on him. I'm just saying the average person is uninformed when it comes to the situation, they just act like Bonds is the only person to do it and have no knowledge of the upper echelon talent that he possessed.
He was a good player no doubt but IHO he cheated. Plain and simple. He wouldn't have taken them if they didn't improve an aspect of his performance. Even if it was longevity his stats wouldn't be the same. I know others did it but that doesn't make it right and we shouldn't base our character on someone elses actions. I really hope they never let him in or anyone who refused to cooperate or tell the truth.
This post was edited on 1/28/11 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 1/28/11 at 1:54 pm to TigerNlc
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He wouldn't have taken them if they didn't improve an aspect of his performance
That's a pretty ridiculous statement
Posted on 1/28/11 at 1:55 pm to barry
Where's your objective proof of increased bat speed?
You know, an actual measurement of his bat speed...
You know, an actual measurement of his bat speed...
Posted on 1/28/11 at 2:00 pm to barry
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Its not rare, its undocumented in the history of man that a person reverses aging
I didn't say anything about aging, I was talking about bat speed. lots of things were never done before they were done. If Bonds bat speed improved that fact does not prove anything.
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All you people are so laughable that you think steroids didn't have an effect on players. HR numbers just magically went up and they have recently just "magically" gone down with players hitting in the SAME ball parks.
listen to the podcast i posted and refute it with something other than anecdotal evidence.
As far as the numbers going down, Bonds, McGwire and Sosa are no longer playing. Maybe the new guys aren't as good at hitting HR's. The ball parks are not the only factor, are they calling more strikes? Did pitchers maybe get better? There are lots of possible explainations, but we don;t want to ruin a good story now do we.
Posted on 1/28/11 at 2:09 pm to H-Town Tiger
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I've heard that setroids do not in fact increase fast muscle twitch. It builds bulk, bulk should decrease, not increase bat speed
Not claiming to know much about the topic, but isn't track & field the ground zero of doping? It seems like America's best sprinters have been surrounded with the steroid/PED controversy.
Knowing that sprinters take them, it seems like some drugs could have something to do with speed, right?
Posted on 1/28/11 at 2:10 pm to Sophandros
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Where's your objective proof of increased bat speed?
You know, an actual measurement of his bat speed...
LINK
You say that like measuring bat speed is some sort of great feat of science.
Posted on 1/28/11 at 2:11 pm to H-Town Tiger
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As far as the numbers going down, Bonds, McGwire and Sosa are no longer playing. Maybe the new guys aren't as good at hitting HR's. The ball parks are not the only factor, are they calling more strikes? Did pitchers maybe get better? There are lots of possible explainations, but we don;t want to ruin a good story now do we.
So its much more believable that offesnsive numbers are down because of crappier players, umpires, better pitchers, etc etc or than the fact that steroids is now tested for and punished. Right.......
Posted on 1/28/11 at 2:20 pm to barry
steroids make you stronger, the bat is going to feel lighter in your hands, thus you are going to swing it a lot quicker. It doesnt really take science to figure that out
Posted on 1/28/11 at 2:25 pm to Bench McElroy
I'm not defending Barry, but I've lost about 35 pounds after I finished my collegiate playing days. Have you seen Teddy Bruschi on NFL Live lately?
Posted on 1/28/11 at 2:25 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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Not claiming to know much about the topic, but isn't track & field the ground zero of doping? It seems like America's best sprinters have been surrounded with the steroid/PED controversy.
Knowing that sprinters take them, it seems like some drugs could have something to do with speed, right?
then it should be easy to prove with actual studies and real evidence, not just, well so and so used and he hit a bunch of HR, there fore steroids make you hit more HR's.
Posted on 1/28/11 at 2:26 pm to The Yetty
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I'm not defending Barry, but I've lost about 35 pounds after I finished my collegiate playing days. Have you seen Teddy Bruschi on NFL Live lately?
Yea just ignore the OP, its a stupid comment.
Posted on 1/28/11 at 2:26 pm to Lester Earl
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Lester Earl
you're needed in da rw3r thread
This post was edited on 1/28/11 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 1/28/11 at 2:27 pm to The Yetty
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but I've lost about 35 pounds after I finished my collegiate playing days. Have you seen Teddy Bruschi on NFL Live lately?
What does that have to do with steriods? I would imagine Bruschi doesn't work out like he used to, probably has a different diet
Posted on 1/28/11 at 2:27 pm to H-Town Tiger
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then it should be easy to prove with actual studies and real evidence
The fricking drugs are called PED's, PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUGS. I don't need a study to tell me fricking cheese makes everything better. Its just that bleeping obvious.
Posted on 1/28/11 at 2:28 pm to H-Town Tiger
That's my point.
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