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re: ATL Thread | offseason hot takes + discussion
Posted on 12/12/22 at 3:37 pm to sorantable
Posted on 12/12/22 at 3:37 pm to sorantable
Sooooo are y'all dumping Darnaud? I know of a team who whiffed on Contreras, Murphy and is looking at starting Martin Maldonado again who should damn sure be interested.
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Posted on 12/12/22 at 3:38 pm to Lsuhoohoo
Posted on 12/12/22 at 3:44 pm to sorantable
AA is treating this offseason like 2023 is the final year of a contention window. I do not understand this. On paper, this trade and the Jiminez trades were just awful.
The thing about this trade is it makes the Braves marginally better at the very most and will probably be a wash.
The thing about this trade is it makes the Braves marginally better at the very most and will probably be a wash.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 3:44 pm to sorantable
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He was pretty bad at the plate the second half of the year.
Could have said the same at one point or another about a lot of our guys who are now studs
Posted on 12/12/22 at 3:45 pm to VADawg
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AA is treating this offseason like 2023 is the final year of a contention window. I do not understand this. On paper, this trade and the Jiminez trades were just awful.
The thing about this trade is it makes the Braves marginally better at the very most and will probably be a wash.
If Murphy or TDA get injured it looks awful barring any corresponding future moves.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 3:57 pm to TrussvilleTide
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Could have said the same at one point or another about a lot of our guys who are now studs
That’s fair. I’m just trying to find a silver lining.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 4:00 pm to VADawg
It also opened up a couple of roster spots too.
That's the only silver lining I see.... maybe AA is about to sign a couple of players.
That's the only silver lining I see.... maybe AA is about to sign a couple of players.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 4:05 pm to wheelz007
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That's the only silver lining I see.... maybe AA is about to sign a couple of players.
They aren't going to sign anything big. Likely means it'll be someone like Andrus at SS this season.
Gross. A slight upgrade at a position of strength while giving up Contreras and not even making someone eat the Ozuna contract.
This post was edited on 12/12/22 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 12/12/22 at 4:16 pm to VADawg
I see Bassitt signed a 3 yr deal for Charlie Morton money.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 4:31 pm to sorantable
I am waiting on those AA worshipers to come on in and explain this trade. They are noticeable absent.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 4:32 pm to sorantable
You guys don't have to trust AA(which is dumb), but I trust him explicitly. And I will trust him till he proves otherwise.
You guys are never happy on here unless you're miserable or always bitching about something. The guy is a 2X Executive of the Year and gave us a World Series last year. It's fricking tired at this point.
You guys are never happy on here unless you're miserable or always bitching about something. The guy is a 2X Executive of the Year and gave us a World Series last year. It's fricking tired at this point.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 4:40 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
So you like the trade?
Posted on 12/12/22 at 4:41 pm to VADawg
Yeah I feel like Contreras and Muller would have been a good enough haul to tag Ozuna too and fill the left fielder spot via trade with someone.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 4:54 pm to Broski
My guess is Braves were highly concerned about catcher defense, especially with the throw over rule. This certainly solves that. And with d’Arnaud starting to age slotting him into that second catcher role makes sense. Contreras is an excellent bat but was very weak defensively. Great trade for Milwaukee.
From a value perspective this is more than fair based on whatever tool or value measurement system but with limited non major league guys with value it’s certainly okay to question the allocation of resources. Needs to be more done with the major league roster.
From a value perspective this is more than fair based on whatever tool or value measurement system but with limited non major league guys with value it’s certainly okay to question the allocation of resources. Needs to be more done with the major league roster.
This post was edited on 12/12/22 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 12/12/22 at 4:57 pm to 21zereaux
yet another move that makes zero sense
Posted on 12/12/22 at 5:02 pm to Broski
I don't love the trade. From my view, I see 2 things gained -
1. ) We got a better defensive and more athletic catcher
2. ) A couple of roster spots opened up for more additions
Otherwise, we gave up more than we got in return. Contreras and a P for Murphy would have been plenty.
I will wait and see who AA signs/ brings in to fill the 4 open roster spots before I am completely bummed.
1. ) We got a better defensive and more athletic catcher
2. ) A couple of roster spots opened up for more additions
Otherwise, we gave up more than we got in return. Contreras and a P for Murphy would have been plenty.
I will wait and see who AA signs/ brings in to fill the 4 open roster spots before I am completely bummed.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 5:06 pm to 21zereaux
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/12/braves-acquire-sean-murphy.html
I'm trying to make sense of this. The full get/giving up list for this trade:
Braves get catcher Sean Murphy, giving up Kyle Muller, Royber Salinas, Justin Yeager, Freddy Tarnok, Manny Piña and William Contreras.
Brewers get William Contreras, Joel Payamps, Justin Yeager, giving up Esteury Ruiz.
A’s get Kyle Muller, Esteury Ruiz, Freddy Tarnok, Royber Salinas and Manny Piña, giving up Sean Murphy and Joel Payamps.
Options/reason for this trade?
The Braves dump Piña's $4.5 million salary for this season, $710,000 for Contreras, and the others being negligible, and take on Murphy's estimated $3,301,000 salary. Doesn't look like it is money.
Murphy and Contreras have similar offensive stat lines, with Contreras having slightly better.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/murphse01.shtml and https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/contrwi02.shtml?
Here is a head to head comparison for 2022 - https://stathead.com/baseball/player-comparison.cgi?player_id2=murphse01&p1yrfrom=2022&type=b&player_id1=contrwi02&p2yrfrom=2022&sum=0&request=1
Murphy has a higher WAR and better defensive stats. It seems like a wash between the two, one better in each category.
The Braves drop Freddy Tarnok, Kyle Muller, Manny Pina and William Contreras from the 40 man roster and add Murphy. It opens up three spots. This is the only thing I can come up with that makes any sense to me, room on the 40 man roster. It is a helluva way to do it, but there needs to be a good return IMO for what you have given up. There needs to be something else coming down the pipe that will make all of this worth it.
Any other ideas/possibilities y'all can come up with?
I'm trying to make sense of this. The full get/giving up list for this trade:
Braves get catcher Sean Murphy, giving up Kyle Muller, Royber Salinas, Justin Yeager, Freddy Tarnok, Manny Piña and William Contreras.
Brewers get William Contreras, Joel Payamps, Justin Yeager, giving up Esteury Ruiz.
A’s get Kyle Muller, Esteury Ruiz, Freddy Tarnok, Royber Salinas and Manny Piña, giving up Sean Murphy and Joel Payamps.
Options/reason for this trade?
The Braves dump Piña's $4.5 million salary for this season, $710,000 for Contreras, and the others being negligible, and take on Murphy's estimated $3,301,000 salary. Doesn't look like it is money.
Murphy and Contreras have similar offensive stat lines, with Contreras having slightly better.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/murphse01.shtml and https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/contrwi02.shtml?
Here is a head to head comparison for 2022 - https://stathead.com/baseball/player-comparison.cgi?player_id2=murphse01&p1yrfrom=2022&type=b&player_id1=contrwi02&p2yrfrom=2022&sum=0&request=1
Murphy has a higher WAR and better defensive stats. It seems like a wash between the two, one better in each category.
The Braves drop Freddy Tarnok, Kyle Muller, Manny Pina and William Contreras from the 40 man roster and add Murphy. It opens up three spots. This is the only thing I can come up with that makes any sense to me, room on the 40 man roster. It is a helluva way to do it, but there needs to be a good return IMO for what you have given up. There needs to be something else coming down the pipe that will make all of this worth it.
Any other ideas/possibilities y'all can come up with?
Posted on 12/12/22 at 5:19 pm to volfan30
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From a value perspective this is more than fair based on whatever tool or value measurement system but with limited non major league guys with value it’s certainly okay to question the allocation of resources.
This is where I'm at with this one. It's a fair deal on our end, but you can question the use of resources. It's a huge upgrade defensively at catcher, particularly with the coming changes that will make catching base stealers tremendously more important.
The A's straight up got fleeced by the Brewers though, they made out like bandits.
Of course if we had just given Freddie the extra year we could have slotted in Langeliers into our defensive catcher with pop position and would still have Bill to play DH full time.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 5:19 pm to 21zereaux
We undoubtedly improve the major league roster and open up 3 spots on the 40 man but lose ammunition to improve at SS and LF. I think we are going to have to improve using only $$ somehow at either SS or LF (Dansby taking 6/118 or something would be ideal at this point) and use some or all of Grissom/Elder/Anderson/Shewmake to fill the other spot for this to make sense.
The system is getting wiped clean but the system pretty much sucks anyway.
The system is getting wiped clean but the system pretty much sucks anyway.
This post was edited on 12/12/22 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 12/12/22 at 5:19 pm to 21zereaux
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Murphy has a higher WAR and better defensive stats. It seems like a wash between the two, one better in each category.
He is a much better defender than Contreras, and I've seen people who are huge fans of this trade point to Murphy's home/road splits saying he will be Realmuto-esque offensively playing home games away from Oakland, but that feels like a wild stretch to me. I thought Olson would explode getting out of Oakland.
AA should have been able to make someone eat Ozuna or Rosario's money in this trade too. Milwaukee gave up absolutely nothing and got the only All Star in this deal. Jesus Christ.
This post was edited on 12/12/22 at 5:22 pm
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