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re: At this moment UFL has as much potential as CFB
Posted on 4/19/25 at 9:27 pm to Olric
Posted on 4/19/25 at 9:27 pm to Olric
quote:I'd like this. Treat it like the G-League and have the Chattanooga Titans, Sarasota Bucs, Ft. Worth Rustlers, etc... where the NFL affiliation was clear.
Ufl would work better as the summer league version of the nfl.
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Posted on 4/19/25 at 9:44 pm to TheWalrus
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Nobody feels any connection to the San Antonio Brahmas the way they do to the college they attended or have been rooting for all their life.
I've been a Birmingham Stallions fan since 1983.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 9:45 pm to Olric
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The nfl could benefit if they embraced the idea by effectively dominating the entire sports calendar
They tried propping up Arena Football years ago and it didn’t work. Let’s face it, there’s no market for football from February until August. How many leagues have to fail?
Posted on 4/19/25 at 9:59 pm to theballguy
I haven't watched the NFL since the games became just more politics. Sports are supposed to be a diversion.
I've enjoyed the USFL/UFL, but I don't know that it has a long-term future, and it won't ever replace college football in popularity.
The UFL seriously needs to get its act together with scheduling. Having to hunt for games isn't conducive to ratings.
Also, the ticket prices are ridiculous. They are playing in empty stadiums but want $90+ outside of the end zones.
I've enjoyed the USFL/UFL, but I don't know that it has a long-term future, and it won't ever replace college football in popularity.
The UFL seriously needs to get its act together with scheduling. Having to hunt for games isn't conducive to ratings.
Also, the ticket prices are ridiculous. They are playing in empty stadiums but want $90+ outside of the end zones.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 10:28 pm to theballguy
Not even close.
College football has 100+ years of goodwill/name recognition built in. Whether they realize it or not, every college football fan just cheers for the “uniform”…not the players in it. Those guys change from year to year. The institutions and decades long history/tradition doesn’t
Take the current roster of any UFL team, put them in Ohio State’s, Georgia’s, LSU’s, Texas’s, etc uniforms and it would sell out a 90k stadium.
Take Georgia’s exact roster and stick it in a UFL uniform and it barely draws 10k
College football has 100+ years of goodwill/name recognition built in. Whether they realize it or not, every college football fan just cheers for the “uniform”…not the players in it. Those guys change from year to year. The institutions and decades long history/tradition doesn’t
Take the current roster of any UFL team, put them in Ohio State’s, Georgia’s, LSU’s, Texas’s, etc uniforms and it would sell out a 90k stadium.
Take Georgia’s exact roster and stick it in a UFL uniform and it barely draws 10k
Posted on 4/20/25 at 12:38 am to chalmetteowl
quote:Arena Football is its own animal, and none of those players had an affiliation with an NFL team like say if the Chiefs "minor leaguers" were all on the Iowa Barnstormers.
They tried propping up Arena Football years ago and it didn’t work. Let’s face it, there’s no market for football from February until August.
I'm not a diehard because I was raised on CFB, but diehard NFL fans would absolutely watch the Raleigh Panthers play the Harrisburg Steelers. In the south we are kind of an anomaly where LSU/Georgia/Tennessee fans regularly puts more asses in the seats than the Saints/Bulldogs/Titans.
The Colorado Springs Broncos, Trenton Jets, or Aurora Bears would almost certainly have the support from fans of their "major league" parent and would probably have similar attendance to a (pre-Prime) Colorado, Rutgers, or Northwestern game.
This post was edited on 4/20/25 at 12:49 am
Posted on 4/20/25 at 2:38 am to Murph4HOF
I highly doubt the “Ann Arbor Lions” could fill the Big House. UM does that for a noon non-conference game against some arse team. That’s the largest football stadium in America. That should be your ultimate comparison.
Posted on 4/20/25 at 4:13 am to theballguy
Terrible take.
Posted on 4/20/25 at 4:23 am to theballguy
quote:Star CFB players are going to the NFL
Star CFB players are WAY overpaid while UFL players are way underpaid.
UFL players did not make it
Over/under paid relative to worth could not be less relevant. A shitty product will have inferior viewership
Posted on 4/20/25 at 5:25 am to TheWalrus
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College football has a 100 year head start on marketing and fan loyalty.
What it was 100 years ago was very different than today.
At Auburn, everything has been or will be monetized. Your “school spirit” buys nothing. Everything is for sale.
It is work to go to a game. You comfort is not a priority. If TV dictates the game will start at 11 am or 8 pm Central, nobody cares how that changes your travel plan.
Loyalty should be a two way street. From what I’ve seen, these programs take our money, spend it all, then ask for more and more claiming “market rate.” Never do they offer to “refund” when the results are below “market return.”
I used to build my fall weekends around Auburn football. I still follow the team, but I don’t order pay for view or streaming services. I’ve missed parts of many games because of early starts conflicting with my tee times.
The cliff for college football is coming. The next generation does not have the wealth, time, or inclination to support in person attendance at college football games especially if the team is 4-3 mid season and out of the “playoff hunt.”
The conditions that built the college football game have changed dramatically. The generations who “lived” for a football Saturday are getting older. The younger generation values their experience and time differently. They have come of age when football has more competition for their time and treasure.
Posted on 4/20/25 at 6:53 am to maizegoblue
I disagree. A true minor league/developmental league always draws less than the majors.
It is the OP who said the UFL has as much potential as CFB, not me. I'm saying that for a football minor league to work it would need to be more like MiLB and the G League as opposed to the UFL model. Also, the venue matters. St. Louis and San Antonio were #1 and #3 in average UFL attendance, and both play in a dome that isn't also home to an NFL team. DC and Birmingham play in new stadiums and they were #2 and #4 in average attendance.
Playing in old, ran down former AFL or NFL stadiums isn't going to cut it, especially for any teams in the South for a Spring/Summer football league. The planned upgrades to the Liberty Bowl look nice but the problem is it is still in Memphis*.
And for the Ann Arbor Lions comparison, I wouldn't move the Panthers/Lions Jr. there. I'd pick a place further away from Detroit, in a smaller stadium, in a town that might actually support them in a way the Mudhens have great support on their own not just because of their affiliation with the Tigers. Maybe Grand Rapids or where one of the Michigan Directional Universities are located (you undoubtedly know more about that than me).
*Kind of off topic, but Memphis presents its own special set of problems. The Liberty Bowl is in a shitty part of town. It isn't close to Beale Street or any other Memphis attraction (although it is near the Children’s Museum which is surprisingly good). I think there is still resentment towards the Titans because of the way the Oilers used Memphis as a pit stop when they moved. It gets blazing hot in that stadium for early season CFB games, and because of the crime in the area they seem to avoid night games. City leadership is incompetent in a way only rivaled by somewhere in Sub-Saharan Africa. It probably has more Steelers or Cowboys fans than Titan fans.
It is the OP who said the UFL has as much potential as CFB, not me. I'm saying that for a football minor league to work it would need to be more like MiLB and the G League as opposed to the UFL model. Also, the venue matters. St. Louis and San Antonio were #1 and #3 in average UFL attendance, and both play in a dome that isn't also home to an NFL team. DC and Birmingham play in new stadiums and they were #2 and #4 in average attendance.
Playing in old, ran down former AFL or NFL stadiums isn't going to cut it, especially for any teams in the South for a Spring/Summer football league. The planned upgrades to the Liberty Bowl look nice but the problem is it is still in Memphis*.
And for the Ann Arbor Lions comparison, I wouldn't move the Panthers/Lions Jr. there. I'd pick a place further away from Detroit, in a smaller stadium, in a town that might actually support them in a way the Mudhens have great support on their own not just because of their affiliation with the Tigers. Maybe Grand Rapids or where one of the Michigan Directional Universities are located (you undoubtedly know more about that than me).
*Kind of off topic, but Memphis presents its own special set of problems. The Liberty Bowl is in a shitty part of town. It isn't close to Beale Street or any other Memphis attraction (although it is near the Children’s Museum which is surprisingly good). I think there is still resentment towards the Titans because of the way the Oilers used Memphis as a pit stop when they moved. It gets blazing hot in that stadium for early season CFB games, and because of the crime in the area they seem to avoid night games. City leadership is incompetent in a way only rivaled by somewhere in Sub-Saharan Africa. It probably has more Steelers or Cowboys fans than Titan fans.
Posted on 4/20/25 at 8:50 am to theballguy
Yeah man. I plan on spending my Saturdays watching the fricking United Football League.
Posted on 4/20/25 at 8:56 am to theballguy
I think you may be onto something here. The ridiculous mess that is college football is causing fans to jump off that ship.
I admit to having Birmingham Stallions games on a few times already this year, and complaining to my wife about some of the throws Matt Corral has missed. A sure sign of some level of interest.
I admit to having Birmingham Stallions games on a few times already this year, and complaining to my wife about some of the throws Matt Corral has missed. A sure sign of some level of interest.
Posted on 4/20/25 at 9:45 am to RemouladeSawce
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Star CFB players are going to the NFL
UFL players did not make it
Over/under paid relative to worth could not be less relevant. A shitty product will have inferior viewership
I don’t think the value of the college guys making millions lies as much in their raw talent compared to the rest of the football world as it does their availability and capability to help a big brand win.
The college game doesn’t necessarily need future NFL talent across the board to still be popular (although it helps). If major college talent were equal to D3, a lot of people would still watch. The problem is the individual programs still need to win, so they need to get the best guys they can get. Therefore, they chase after the athletic freaks of nature.
A 28-year-old fringe NFL player who finished at BYU five years ago and now makes peanuts playing QB for the Birmingham Stallions is worthless to Alabama because he’s ineligible to play. The 18-year-old 5 star who is maybe not nearly as good right now as the 28 year old is more valuable because he is available to help the big machine win.
Posted on 4/20/25 at 10:06 am to TheWalrus
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The quality of play is irrelevant.
I wouldnt say its irrelevant, but last year college football produced some great games
Posted on 4/20/25 at 10:22 am to makersmark1
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What it was 100 years ago was very different than today. At Auburn, everything has been or will be monetized. Your “school spirit” buys nothing. Everything is for sale. It is work to go to a game. You comfort is not a priority. If TV dictates the game will start at 11 am or 8 pm Central, nobody cares how that changes your travel plan. Loyalty should be a two way street. From what I’ve seen, these programs take our money, spend it all, then ask for more and more claiming “market rate.” Never do they offer to “refund” when the results are below “market return.” I used to build my fall weekends around Auburn football. I still follow the team, but I don’t order pay for view or streaming services. I’ve missed parts of many games because of early starts conflicting with my tee times. The cliff for college football is coming. The next generation does not have the wealth, time, or inclination to support in person attendance at college football games especially if the team is 4-3 mid season and out of the “playoff hunt.” The conditions that built the college football game have changed dramatically. The generations who “lived” for a football Saturday are getting older. The younger generation values their experience and time differently. They have come of age when football has more competition for their time and treasure.
You wrote all this bullshite to say you still watch
Posted on 4/20/25 at 10:46 am to Mingo Was His NameO
My interest has certainly declined with age.
I used to have season tickets. I used to construct my plans in the fall around football.
It is what it is. I would be amazed if the enthusiasm for college football is maintained over the next 25 years.
Maybe I’m wrong, but my kids friends are not as consumed by it as I once was.
Maybe I’m the rare person who has decreased interest in college football.
I kept my subscription for SEC championship tickets, but the resale market is not what it once was.
I used to have season tickets. I used to construct my plans in the fall around football.
It is what it is. I would be amazed if the enthusiasm for college football is maintained over the next 25 years.
Maybe I’m wrong, but my kids friends are not as consumed by it as I once was.
Maybe I’m the rare person who has decreased interest in college football.
I kept my subscription for SEC championship tickets, but the resale market is not what it once was.
Posted on 4/20/25 at 12:42 pm to TheWalrus
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College football has a 100 year head start on marketing and fan loyalty.
Fans were loyal to college football not minor league football which is what people want college football to become
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